Geoff, re-read the original message. I'm somewhat incredulous
that you seem to think I'm saying the very opposite of what I put
forward. 

I mean, if you had anything reasonable to say, it surely
wouldn't address the concerted reply I made to Adam, rather it
would address, fucking finally, the issue I put forward. 

You've seemingly come out of nowhere, with a reply so distorted
that I'm completely aghast at your approach. 

Maybe I was harsh on Adam and you're playing Devil's advocate.
Maybe you are Adam (or Adam was an act all along??).

Either way, it surely can't be _that_ hard for someone,
somewhere, to address the issue I raised (the issue that was
already wasted on aussie-isp).  

If you can read, then digest and make a reasoned, comprehensible
reply. Elsewise piss off.

"Describe in detail how..." , well fuck you Jeff read the
original message! 

On Thu, May 21, 1998 at 01:53:24AM +0100, Jeff Williams wrote:
> Alastair and all,
> 
>   FIrst let me say that I am very new to this list.  Now for everybody's enjoyment
> 
> the rest of my comments below yours Alastair.  >;)
> 
> Alastair Waddell wrote:
> 
> > This will be an exhausting exercise Adam, but seeing as I'm used
> > to countering pedantic argument from children, I'll find the
> > patience to reply. Also, I know from experience that children
> > slowly lose the plot, cry, make up and go to bed. So there's
> > hope...
> 
>   Ohhhh Yes daddy I know that adam is being bad!  WAAAA!  WAAAAA!
> WAAAAA!.  Get real will ya Alastair!  What a wanker.
> 
> >
> >
> > On Thu, May 21, 1998 at 11:51:25AM +1000, Adam Todd wrote:
> > > >Rick W suggested I subscribe and crosspost this into this list.
> > > >Hopefully you lot have a longer attention span that the
> > > >hairdressers in aussie-isp and Adam, I got your reply advertising
> > > >AUSRC as a solution for my proposal already ta.
> > >
> > > Advertising?  Not at all, suggesting.  Why is it I advertise and others
> > > mention?  Should I have a mystery person posting about alternatives instead?
> >
> > I _don't know_ why you persistently advertise to the lists. I
> > suggest it's because you have a personality disorder of some
> > sort.
> 
>   I don't see anything in an "Advertising" about this comment by Adam.
> 
> >
> >
> > Mystery person? Two Adams for the price of one? An analogy -
> > that's like wasting 80% of the Amazonian basis instead of 40%
> 
>   God you are an Idiot Alastair!
> 
> >
> >
> > <here we go with the one by one counter 'argument' routine>
> >
> > I did have a point to make. Detracting from the focus of the
> > thread is an Evil Act, Adam. And you'll go to /dev/Hell if you do
> > it.
> 
>   Describe in detail how and in what manner is Adam's comments
> detracting for the focus of this thread?  I f you don't or cannot, than you
> are just grandstanding.
> 
> >
> >
> > > >I notice an accc person is on the list so an opinion from thou
> > > >wouldn't go amiss.
> > >
> > > There are also ACCC people on Aussie-ISP, so don't worry, they are WELL
> > > aware of the matter.  It's been discussed numerous times in the last three
> > > months with staff at the ACCC.
> 
>   And what were are the specifics of these discussions with the ACCC.  Are
> there any transcripts of these discussions?  If so where are they posted?  If
> not posted, when will they be posted?  Otherwise, again you are just making
> a comment in passing here.  What the HELL that indicates is of no real value.
> 
> >
> >
> > Yes, sooner or later they might bite and join the thread which
> > would be encouraging.
> >
> > > >The proposition I'm putting forward for debate is simply that the
> > > >portability or non-portability of 3LD's should be indicated to a
> > > >prospect _in a proactive manner_.
> >
> > > In short, I guess I agree.  But then do you also tell everyone their Phone
> > > number isn't portable, or is that assumed?
> >
> > OK, you agree but you qualify this with the "Phone number"
> > analogy. About portability of phone number's I'd say
> >
> > o You're mad.
> >   I have no say - it's Telstra. I understand how domains are
> >    inherently portable but I have no idea as to the complications
> >    in making a phone number portable.
> 
>   Jesus Alastair, I learned this in Networking 101.  If you don't know
> how phone numbers are portable and the steps in doing it, you are
> a near ignoramus.
> 
> >   I believe macro's (numbers) are portable
> >   You're mad.
> >   The public has become conditioned to a general expectation of
> >    what they can expect (and what they have the power to change)
> 
>   But many do not even know that they do have this power.  To not make
> them aware that they have choices or to actively prevent them form having more
> choices is very bad for business and dishonest.
> 
> >
> >
> > > Do you also tell the person who purchases a Pizza from a store and drives
> > > 45 minutes that the pizza won't be as nice when they get to the destination?
> >
> > A pizza get's colder the longer it's in the van. Sure, it's based
> > on an assumption, or lack of. We generally assume that the pizza
> > won't be kept piping hot for us and although technically, it
> > probably wouldn't be too hard, we have _come to expect_ a certain
> > quality in the pizza. Thus, through it's lack of an
> > implementation of a 'heating of pizza's in transit' the pizza
> > industry has successfully, and not unreasonably, engendered the
> > popular notion that it's OK if a pizza isn't delivered piping
> > hot. If it's cold, well that might be different.
> 
>   I think that the pizza analogy was not the best analogy, but it works.  Your
> characterization is far form reality.  See a shrink will ya Alastair?
> 
> >
> >
> > * There is no common perception on the 'right to portability' of
> > domains names that can be easily qualified in the Australian
> > market. *
> 
>   What a shame.  I am an american and we are developing this.  It would
> seem that as one of the leaders in technology in your part of the world, Australia
> 
> would be moving in this direction as well.  Try being a cheerleader for this cause
> 
> instead of throwing up your hands and saying there is nothing you can do.
> 
> >
> >
> > ** _We know that domain names are _inherently portable_. **
> >
> > ** We should act to ensure that the New Forces of Greed don't
> > engender or profit from a general assumption the supposes other
> > than that 3LDs are portable_ **
> 
>   I agree that too much greed is inherently dangerous, but to use this as an
> excuse not to move as quickly as possible towards portability for all levels
> of domains is just plain stupid and lacks fore thought.
> 
> >
> >
> > > Why does a domain name have to be any more portable than a
> > > phone number and street address?
> >
> > It's obviously past your bed time Adam because you've made an
> > erroneous logical leap from cold pizzas to the portability of the
> > delivery addresses of those pizzas.
> >
> > This is what's known as 'the Adam Factor' and it's got a lot to
> > do with your lack of popularity in mailing lists. Amazingly, you
> > have other negative traits in your writings also.
> >
> > So either you're tired and losing it totally, or your wanking.
> > Either way it's time for bed. Goodnight.
> >
> > And when you wake up fresh and bright, let's take up where you
> > said " In short, I guess I agree" because I don't have the time
> > for this kiddie shit.
> >
> > > If you move house you can't take the address with you.
> > > If a company moves address, it can't take the building?
> > > Just a few devils advocating questions, I'd love to see some comments on.
> >
> > If I can't stop the flow of junk through head is it my medication
> > or is it genetic? Is it karma? Is karma the junk. Is it the
> > devils advocating questions in my head? Or in the house? Is it
> > the house's karma? Is the house the Dali Lama? Or a banana.
> >
> > All you did, other than a token, half hearted assent, was
> > waste space.
> 
>   As most of your reply comments have been as well.  In fact worse.  If you think
> that Adams comments are a waste of space why comment at all?
> 
> >
> >
> > > This has of course been discussed in the USA DNS mail lists from
> > > yesteryear, and if I can find the thread, I'll repost the discussion, or
> > > make it available on my web server. (Preferances??)
> >
> > You agree in 4 words, waste a few K of bandwidth with psychotic
> > analogies, and then tell me 'this has been discussed before in
> > the Good Ole USA'. Please, I beg you, don't spam the list with a
> > repost. By analogy, your reposts compare with the weapons of
> > destruction unleashed by some third world (psychotic) demagogue.
> > They waste a hell of a lot of space.
> >
> > If you must use 'junk content mentality', that is, avail yourself
> > of bulk content for you own bizarre reasons, then please take the
> > time to summarise it and post only the summary which will be
> > concise and considerably more relevant and less wasteful of
> > space.
> >
> > Yes, make the discussion available on your web server. Sure. By
> > all means, ta. I know the url.
> >
> > Just contribe more than one half hearted sentence with meaning
> > and I promise you, you'll be loved and considered a legend by
> > all.
> >
> > Looking forward to picking up the thread of "In short, I guess I
> > agree" with you, otherwise, well you know what time it is.
> >
> > Filter time.
> >
> > Regards,
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________________________________
> > > Adam Todd               mailto:at&#167;ah.net   mailto:at§aus
> > > http://adamtodd.ah.net  http://www.ah.net  http://www.aursc.ah.net
> > > http://www.ah.net/lists/lwgate
> >
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> 
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