Bent Coppers

Bent Coppers

From: Ginger Fish <ginger-fish§>
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:38:16 +1100
Dear Karl,

I cannot think of any good reason that anything in my contribution to the
list made you think that I was in any way referring to Capital Networks
Pty Ltd trading as Total Nic and/or totalnic. If you drew any inference to
that effect from my words I would appreciate it if you removed it from
your mind entirely.

Capital Networks Pty Limited is to the best of my knowledge a fine
company, staffed by efficient, well trained and polite people. In my
posting I just wished to draw people's attention to the alleged
experiences of some people with a certain registrar that I am sure you
would agree I could not possibly name.

Since I am in correspondence with them, I do know that the ACCC
( is currently looking at the practices of that
particular registrar (not necessarily Capital Networks Pty Limted) who may
possibly be Australian based and that material relevant to their enquiries
can be sent to their Brisbane office by email or by post quoting reference
MARS 273616.

Neither this information nor my previous psoting should not be construed in
any way as
referring to Capital Networks Pty Limited or any related entity or person.

Kind regards

Chris Berkeley

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From:           	karl&#167;
Date sent:      	Sat, 16 Mar 2002 12:43:41 +1100 (EST)
To:             	chris&#167;
Subject:        	RE: [DNS] stupid question

Hi Chris,
 we are currently suing totalnic/capital networks over these type of

what are you doing?


On Sat, 16 Mar 2002, Ginger Fish wrote:

> On behalf of Chris Berkeley that is having problems posting on the
> list.
> ------- Forwarded message follows -------
> To:             	dns&#167;
> Subject:        	Bent coppers?
> Send reply to:  	chris&#167;
> Date sent:      	Sat, 16 Mar 2002 12:20:20 +1100
> On 15 Mar 2002 at 13:38, Ed Sweeney wrote:
> Send reply to:  	dns&#167;
> Date sent:      	Fri, 15 Mar 2002 13:38:49 +1000
> To:             	dns&#167;
> From:           	Ed Sweeney <ed&#167;>
> Subject:        	Re: [DNS] stupid question
> >
> > There is a listing of accredited gTLD registrars available at
> >
> >
> > The Australian registrars are listed at the top.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ed Sweeney
> >
> >
> I am sure Ed that after disclosing that you are closely associated
> with one of the registrars listed there that you would like to
> recommend that anyone registering a domain name consider the long
> term ramifications of using a particular registrar.
> Not so long ago gTLD domains registered with a particular registrar
> went off line for 36 hours. What a capital idea - not. The registrar
> did not apologise or offer any discounts to those adversely
> affected. Instead when people reacted by transferring domains away
> from that registrar to more reliable and cheaper registrars, the
> registrar started putting barriers in the way of the transfer
> requests.
> These barriers included requiring that the domain registrants sign
> notarised(!) declarations and provide notarised (!!!) copies of
> photographic identification such as a drivers licence or passport
> before they would consider a transfer request. (Now for those who
> don't know obtaining notarised documents is both an expensive and
> time consuming process.)  And even when registrants went to the
> trouble of complying with such unreasonable requests (I mean Ed
> where in the registrar's T&C does it say that a registrant must have
> a drivers licence or passport?) and sent the required documentation,
> the registrar refused to accept delivery!
> So registrants were faced with the option of paying over the odds
> for the renewal of their domains with a registrar whose technical
> strength could be questioned or of playing ducks and drakes and
> letting the domain lapse with the original registrar and hopefully
> reregistering it with another registrar.
> Sadly some people who took the second option found that their domain
> name had been grabbed by some one else  before they had the chance
> to re-register. And what is more these domains were still registered
> through the original registrar but this time the registrants were
> non-existent entities with false addresses and who were
> uncontactable. And worse still the original registrants of these
> carefully nurtured domains found that they were now being offered
> for sale on an auction site.
> A reasonable person would think that a responsible registrar who
> required registrants to go to great lengths to prove their identity
> when requesting a transfer would require new registrants of those
> same domain names to demonstrate their bona fides particularly when
> the registrar's associated entities were doing the hosting of the
> reregistered domains and the auction site. I mean Ed that the
> registrar would want to prevent fraud wouldn't they?
> And Ed one really good test of a registrar's (or indeed any bona
> fide Australian business) probity might be that when a customer asks
> to speak to the chief executive or even for the name of that
> person's name, that information would be freely given. But customers
> of that registrar are told when they ring that the CEO is never
> available and even that they are unable to disclose his or her name
> or the name of the company's public officer.
> Ed I know that as a subscriber and contributor to this list that you
> can be assumed to be a supporter of free speech and the
> dissemination of information that would allow consumers to make
> informed decisions as to where they should spend their hard earned
> purchasing goods and services. I am sure that you are as shocked as
> I am to learn that the registrar has now apparently resorted to
> legal action for defamation against the sponsors of forums where
> aggrieved domain name registrants aired their, errr, grievances.
> And another thing that is passing strange, Ed. This registrar claims
> to be Australian. It is on the list that you pointed us to as an
> Australian registrar, and in the past it has traded on it's
> "Australianess" and its T&Cs say specifically that registrants must
> accept that the laws and regulations of a particular Australian
> Territory apply to their transactions with the registrar .  But when
> an Australian based registrant asks the ostensibly Australian
> registrar for a Tax Invoice, the registrar responds by saying
> something along the lines of "Oh no heaven forfend. We are not
> Australian. We are actually processing this transaction on a high
> mountain top in a far away country through another entity altogether
> in non-Australian currency."
> And this dear friends (and Ed) is the sad story of what can happen
> if one chooses ones registrar less than carefully. And this is the
> slough of despair (despain?) that auDA and the free market loonies
> want to deliver us to shortly: shyster registrars, no
> predictability, no reliability, expense, frustration, and a complete
> and utter waste of time and money.
> That's all folkers
> Chris Berkeley
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ed Sweeney [mailto:ed&#167;]
> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 2:39 PM
> To: dns&#167;
> Subject: Re: [DNS] stupid question
> There is a listing of accredited gTLD registrars available at
> The Australian registrars are listed at the top.
> Regards,
> Ed Sweeney
> At 09:58 PM 3/14/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> >Hello all,
> >
> >Sorry for the stupid question but it seems to be the right place to
> >ask.
> >
> >How do you go about registering a .com domain name in australia and
> >how does renewal work ?
> >
> >Thank you
> >
> >Vlady
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