*frowns* - SnooP ----- Original Message ----- From: Dax <shayemaree§bigpond.com> To: <dns§lists.auda.org.au> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [DNS] Code of conduct > That 'Ginger FISH' is listed as the Admin, Tech and billing contact > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nathanael Boehm" <cybsnoop§tpg.com.au> > To: <dns§lists.auda.org.au> > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 10:38 AM > Subject: Re: [DNS] Code of conduct > > > > .... and your point is? :-s > > > > - SnooP > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Rod Keys <rod§ddns.com.au> > > To: <dns§lists.auda.org.au> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 10:13 AM > > Subject: Re: [DNS] Code of conduct > > > > > > > Chris, > > > Check the whois for internetnamesregistrar.com ...nsi.com ..whois... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Chris Disspain" <ceo§auda.org.au> > > > To: <dns§lists.auda.org.au> > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 10:04 AM > > > Subject: RE: [DNS] Code of conduct > > > > > > > > > > Once again you have taken the opportunity to insult, rant and not > > > > actually deal with the issue at hand. I will respond only to matters > > > > relevant to the topic. Personal insults, jibes, snide comments and > other > > > > detritus serve only to reduce your credibility and shroud what might > > > > otherwise be valuable input in a cloak of vitriol. > > > > > > > > You seem to think that contributing to this list gives you some right > to > > > > be heard or, for that matter, to be responded to. It does not. It is a > > > > discussion list and that is all. auDA reads the list and on occasions > > > > such as this responds. We listen and take note of what is said. But > this > > > > list is not representative of the 'industry'. If you want to be > > > > effective you would be better served by getting involved instead of > > > > carping from the side lines. This of course would involve you ditching > > > > the use of false names and necessitate a level of decorum and > > > > rationality. It would also involve you understanding the processes. > > > > > > > > You clearly have no understanding of the process and do not appear to > > > > have read any of the documents. Are you for example aware of the > > > > restrictions to be placed on registrars (and their resellers) in > auDA's > > > > Registrar Agreement? > > > > > > > > You certainly do not appear to have attended the Registrar Agreement > > > > public meetings at which the agreement and the Code of Practice were > > > > originally discussed. You also do not appear to have attended the > > > > initial Code of Practice meeting because if you had you would > understand > > > > that the Code of Practice committee is not auDA's committee but yours > > > > (ie the industry). We are simply facilitating it. > > > > > > > > I repeat some indisputable facts. We called for nominations (and as a > > > > courtesy published that call on the DNS list). This call for > nominations > > > > was at the request of the industry. At the initial meeting, they asked > > > > us to do it on their behalf. I have no doubt that those that were > there > > > > will happily confirm this. The number of the committee and its > processes > > > > were also set by them and not by us. It is, you see, an industry > > > > committee attempting to draft what will be an industry Code of > Practice. > > > > > > > > Neither you nor any of your 'colleagues' (whoever they may be) > bothered > > > > to nominate for the Code of Practice committee notwithstanding your > > > > supposed passion about the issue. That I'm afraid severely damages > your > > > > credibility on this issue. > > > > > > > > The choice is yours. Feel free to continue to bellow your insults to > the > > > > DNS list under the cover of a false name or put your money where your > > > > mouth is and actually get involved in the process. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Chris Disspain > > > > CEO - auDA > > > > ceo§auda.org.au > > > > www.auda.org.au > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Ginger FISH [mailto:ginger§internetnamesregistrar.com] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, 19 March 2002 0:54 > > > > To: dns§lists.auda.org.au > > > > Subject: RE: [DNS] Code of conduct > > > > > > > > Chris, > > > > > > > > Let me see if I've got this straight. Firstly you note that not all > the > > > > names mentioned are on the committee? Three out of four mentioned are > on > > > > the > > > > code of conduct committee Chris, perhaps you might wish to read your > own > > > > website? > > > > > > > > You say "but they were the only ones who nominated ?" The scammers? > > > > And > > > > that's your excuse for not running an effective administration ? > > > > > > > > Distasteful that you pass off issues and ridicule those who care > enough > > > > to > > > > bring them to your attention Chris. Perhaps if you worked in the > > > > industry > > > > alongside consumers rather than simply signing off a few papers here > and > > > > there you might take it all a little more seriously, take the time to > > > > look > > > > into issues, and perhaps make your administration stand for something. > > > > > > > > You were unaware of the Netregistry debacle until it was thrown in > your > > > > face > > > > and you had to deal with it. Are you a fan of deja vu Chris? We are > busy > > > > people, we don't have all the time in the world, but we will persist, > > > > and in > > > > many arenas. And why? because we give a damn Chris. We give a damn > about > > > > all > > > > the little people out there who have been lead to believe that this > code > > > > of > > > > conduct will be enforceable, that it will affect change. How can it > > > > possibly when a bunch of known scammers are sitting on the committee > and > > > > the > > > > auDA Director perceives that as being totally acceptable because they > > > > were > > > > the only ones who nominated themselves. That is a cop-out. That is > > > > totally > > > > unacceptable. > > > > > > > > Ginger > > > > ginger§internetnamesregistrar.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Chris Disspain [mailto:ceo§auda.org.au] > > > > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 9:46 AM > > > > To: dns§lists.auda.org.au > > > > Subject: RE: [DNS] Code of conduct > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Most of the names you mention are not on the committee. > > > > 2. Perhaps you would care to explain why they should not be and FAR > MORE > > > > IMPORTANTLY > > > > 3. Perhaps you'd care to explain why you and everyone else who simply > > > > use this list in the same way that a cat uses a scratching pole did > not > > > > even bother to nominate for the committee or turn up at the initial > > > > meeting or contribute anything whatsoever to the process. > > > > > > > > Oh, and just so we're clear, the reason why the committee comprises > the > > > > people it comprises is because they nominated and, they were the ONLY > > > > PEOPLE who nominated. > > > > > > > > BTW, many thanks to whoever included my name in a song on the list the > > > > other day. Another goal I can tick off the list. > > > > > > > > Chris Disspain > > > > CEO - auDA > > > > ceo§auda.org.au > > > > www.auda.org.au > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Ginger Fish [mailto:ginger-fish§scifi-art.com] > > > > Sent: Sunday, 17 March 2002 12:21 > > > > To: dns§lists.auda.org.au > > > > Subject: RE: [DNS] Code of conduct > > > > > > > > Dear Bruce, > > > > > > > > > > > > in other words : > > > > > > > > WHY WOULD auDA ALLOW PEOPLE LIKE NETREGISTRY , DNA and DDNS TO BE ON > THE > > > > VERY COMMITEE THAT IS SUPPOSED TO KICK THESE PEOPLE OUT OR AT LEAST > MAKE > > > > THEM BEHAVE ? > > > > > > > > Don't you find that a bit illogical Bruce, or if you have a logical > and > > > > reasonable explanation to that, i am willing to hear and understand > it. > > > > Doesn't that bother you ? or are scammers considered as equals with > > > > honest > > > > businesses now ? is the .au administration so corrupt and rotten at > the > > > > core > > > > that it is impossible not to have the gangsters at the helm ? Give us > an > > > > explanation Bruce, because maybe I'm all wrong , maybe i'm just an > idiot > > > > that does not read english properly > > > > http://www.auda.org.au/policy/code-committee-2002/ ) , so PLEASE > > > > EXPLAIN.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, Bruce > > > > > > > > Ginger > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Ginger Fish [mailto:ginger-fish§scifi-art.com] > > > > Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 12:10 PM > > > > To: dns§lists.auda.org.au > > > > Subject: RE: [DNS] Code of conduct > > > > > > > > > > > > Bruce, thank you for answering the first part, but i think you missed > > > > the > > > > second part : > > > > > > > > auDA is well aware of the business practices of these companies and > yet > > > > here > > > > THEY SITE ON THE CODE OF CONDUCT COMMITEE > > > > > > > > > > > > NETREGISTRY proved they could not be trusted with the auNIC database > > > > and > > > > yet the same company have a representative on the Code of Conduct > > > > Commitee? > > > > > > > > Peter Dean, Istra Pty Ltd, www.aunic.com.au, Director of auDA, > conflict > > > > of > > > > interest, and to top it off, sits on the Code of Conduct Commitee ? > > > > > > > > And, Rod "Scam claim over com.au reselling" Keys. > > > > > > > > http://www.auda.org.au/policy/code-committee-2002/ > > > > > > > > Rod Keys Discount Domain Names Reseller DISCOUNT DOMAIN NAMES?? > > > > see > > > > below > > > > Brett Fenton ( Larry's dog ) NetRegistry Registrar NET > > > > REGISTRY? > > > > see below > > > > Peter Dean Instra Group Registrar YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING > > > > > > > > > > > > "Domain Name Authority of Australia (DNA) Business Manager - Rod Keys > > > > "Scam claim over com.au reselling. > > > > http://www.it.mycareer.com.au/e-commerce/20001024/A2319-2000Oct23.html > > > > > > > > "Melbourne's Domain Name Authority of Australia (www.dna.asn.au) has > > > > been > > > > writing in hard copy to com.au name owners ahead of the renewal date, > > > > offering to renew their names." > > > > > > > > "Domain Name Authority of Australia (DNA) Business Manager - Rod Keys > > > > "Domain name resellers blockade rival company" > > > > http://www.it.mycareer.com.au/breaking/20001017/A56590-2000Oct17.html > > > > > > > > > > > > INTERNET NAME GROUP - PROVISIONALLY ACCREDITED REGISTRAR > > > > > > > > Sasha Sudakov attends Code of Conduct Meeting. --- WHAT FOR?????? > > > > http://www.auda.org.au/about/minutes/public-20011211.pdf > > > > > > > > Internet Name Group scam > > > > http://www.auda.org.au/list/dns/archive/032001/0060.html > > > > > > > > The greed behind gratuitous grace > > > > http://www.smh.com.au/icon/0111/13/news4.html > > > > > > > > Riddle of 10-year deals on .au names with a two-year life > > > > http://it.mycareer.com.au/networking/20010410/A35593-2001Apr10.html > > > > > > > > Name seller flogs .biz names via asic.com > > > > http://www.smh.com.au/news/0106/22/biztech/biztech15.html > > > > > > > > "Spam" Attack Prompts Suspension By Domainz. > > > > http://www.aardvark.co.nz/pr2001/090601.htm > > > > > > > > > http://www.idg.net.nz/webhome.nsf/UNID/D6AC0A53F05ECFC6CC256ABF00090DE4! > > > > open > > > > document > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ginger > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Bruce Tonkin [mailto:Bruce.Tonkin§melbourneit.com.au] > > > > Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 4:26 AM > > > > To: dns§lists.auda.org.au > > > > Subject: [DNS] Code of conduct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHAT HOPE IS THERE FOR ANY PROPOSED CODE OF CONDUCT ?? > > > > > It is unclear when it will be introduced > > > > > It is unclear if it will be enforceable > > > > > It is unclear as to whether or not it will be enforceable, > > > > > how and by whom? > > > > > > > > Actually it is reasonable clear. > > > > > > > > There is an interim code of conduct that already exists. In the > absence > > > > of > > > > any changes by the date the new registry (operated by AusRegistry) > goes > > > > live, then this will be the code that must be adhered to by > registrars. > > > > In > > > > the meantime, we have encouraged companies that sell domain name > > > > services to > > > > adhere to the interim code, and people can sign up to it voluntarily. > > > > However there is no enforcement of the code until the new registrar > > > > agreements come into effect. Note most industries have codes that are > > > > purely voluntary, we are at least trying to go one step further to > > > > include > > > > in registrar licence agreements. > > > > > > > > There is a code of conduct committee that is trying to refine the > > > > interim > > > > code. It is hoped that the next refinement will be complete by around > > > > June > > > > 2002. > > > > > > > > The code will be enforceable by auDA, and failure to abide by the code > > > > can > > > > result in loss of registrar licence. However ultimately any company > can > > > > sell domain names without any licence. The licence purely gives them > > > > direct > > > > access to communicate with the registry. A comany can still act on > > > > behalf > > > > of the registrant and purchase their domain names from any registrar > or > > > > reseller. > > > > > > > > The best method of enforcement is by consumers themselves choosing to > > > > use a > > > > reputable provider of their services. That is the whole point of > > > > competition. To do this consumers need to be well informed. > Consumers > > > > make > > > > their decisions for real estate agents, auto repairers, car dealers > etc > > > > based on their knowledge of the industry and word-of-mouth. In many > > > > cases > > > > there are independent organisations such as RACV, CHOICE etc that > > > > publish > > > > articles that compare the products and services of different > providers. > > > > The > > > > fall back is the Trade Practices Act - which is administered by the > > > > ACCC. > > > > > > > > I encourage all members of the industry to continue to educate and > keep > > > > informed their customers. If auDA needs to continually be involved > in > > > > enforcement this will raise the prices of domain names services for us > > > > all > > > > (as auDA's costs are passed onto registrants through a per domain name > > > > fee), > > > > and potentially result in the Government taking over control of the > > > > function. > > > > > > > > SO lets keep the code of conduct in perspective. It is not the > solution > > > > to > > > > all problems, but an important step forward. It will also help > educate > > > > new > > > > players in the industry on acceptable practices. Ultimately it will > be > > > > up > > > > to us all to educate consumers about the existance of a code, and only > > > > purchase products and services from those that adhere to the code. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Bruce Tonkin > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > --- > > > > List policy, unsubscribing and archives => > > > > http://www.auda.org.au/list/dns/ > > > > Please do not retransmit articles on this list without permission of > the > > > > author, further information at the above URL. (329 subscribers.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > --- > > > > List policy, unsubscribing and archives => > > > > http://www.auda.org.au/list/dns/ > > > > Please do not retransmit articles on this list without permission of > the > > > > author, further information at the above URL. 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