RE: [DNS] RE: auDA to consider new names for .au

RE: [DNS] RE: auDA to consider new names for .au

From: Ginger Fish <ginger-fish§scifi-art.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 22:33:08 +1000
.. and as a joke but also true, i believe than in australia, .footy.au would
work damn good compare to anything.au ( except .com.au ) .... don't you guys
see a problem here ?

Ginger


-----Original Message-----
From: Ginger Fish [mailto:ginger-fish&#167;scifi-art.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 10:26 PM
To: dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au
Subject: RE: [DNS] RE: auDA to consider new names for .au


Thanx Kevin, the state based 2TLD is indeed a very good start in the right
direction.

4 years ago when i was in France, the domain name administration decided to
introduce the .tm.fr domain. It was supposed to mean "trademark" for example
if someone had already legally registered croissants.fr , another company
with a trademarked name could registere croissants.tm.fr ... the result was
a total mess. they also tried their version of the .name.xxx that was
.nom.fr ... the result was also a big failure.. When you need a domain name,
you need a real domain name, it's not worth spending money in a domain name
nobody will remember or that will sound or read ridiculous, in that case
you'd better keep your geocities URL and bigpond email address, it makes
things simple and you don't feel like you're being ripped off ..
Don't get me wrong, i understand the need to expand with other extensions
.... but I have always thought that doing the right thing is giving people
what they want, not giving what a bunch of lawyers or IT executive that
believe they know everything about the universe "think" is right ... Why not
grabbing a few people in the street and put them in the comitee that is
going to discuss that, take a few students, a few small business managers
and ask them what they think would be cool , that would have the effect of
giving people what they really want and grow the domain name industry quite
a bit ( and also give back a few colours to the AU Administration ) ... it's
already hard enough to explain anybody the difference between .com and
.com.au, go try explaining why they SHOULD get a
www.croissants.coop.sex.museum.skippy.meatpie.au domain name ....


Ginger





-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Fleming [mailto:kevin&#167;w617.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 9:51 PM
To: dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au
Subject: RE: [DNS] RE: auDA to consider new names for .au



whilst the .com.au domain space seems to be coming congested - there are few
legitimate openings for other 2TLDs. I'd hate to see the .au domain space
fall into the same disrepute as the ICANN lead charge of .biz. My company
spent thousands of dollars on lawyer fees for what? we don't even use the
.biz - I'm not even sure it was fully finalised anyway. I've yet to see a
company use a .biz address in their marketing (anyone?).

I agree with Ginger (not about the masterbating) that people have come to
accept .com.au and .com and maybe .net - if we add to the confusion with
another dozen 2TLDs to the domain space then the Internet will all become
too confusing. For legitimate businesses with an appropriate ACN etc there
is little problem locating an appropriate domain under the existing rules.
Sure - it's not as easy as it was 3 years ago - but that's business.

My suggestion would be to add state based 2TLDs such as .qld.au and .nsw.au
etc. A significant number of businesses that use the Internet only operate
in their local area. They don't compete in the geographic market across this
country - why should they hog a domain name from someone they don't compete
against?

Kevin


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ginger Fish [mailto:ginger-fish&#167;scifi-art.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, 24 April 2002 7:47 PM
> To: dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au
> Subject: RE: [DNS] RE: auDA to consider new names for .au
>
>
> The thing is, you'll soon discover that while we're masturbating
> our brains
> trying to find new extensions, people will only want to register .com and
> .com.au domain names... sure people register .biz domain names but hardly
> use them, i still haven't seen a .bz being used as a business site ( if
> anyone can point me to one i'd be grateful ) .. so do you guys
> really think
> a .law.au or .whatever.au is going to make a difference ? it will
> only make
> the name longer and it will take more time to write it or
> memorize it , now
> a .law is different, it's a GTLD that could have a purpose ( not
> like stupid
> .aero or .name ) let's face it, there is very little hope for success with
> other 2TLDs ( .sex.au or .gay.au excepted maybe and i am not kidding, we
> know THAT can be a success because there's a demand for it) .... .name.au
> doesn't sound very sexy and attractive . it would be more
> interesting to get
> something like jon.lawrence.au but ( first in first served ) but
> then again
> that is a stupid idea because the auDA guys will get an internal
> combustion
> trying to manage such a headache ....
>
> Anyway, sorry, just my 2c   .....correct me if i'm wrong and if
> you think i
> have stupid ideas !
>
> Ginger
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aussiewide.com (administration) [mailto:rebecca&#167;aussiewide.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 7:30 PM
> To: dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au
> Subject: Re: [DNS] RE: auDA to consider new names for .au
>
>
> I dont care provided I can get .bitch
>
> Rebecca
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jon Lawrence" <jon&#167;jonlawrence.com>
> To: <dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au>; <dns§auda.org.au>
> Cc: "'Grant Bayley'" <gbayley&#167;ausmac.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 6:24 PM
> Subject: RE: [DNS] RE: auDA to consider new names for .au
>
>
> Actually I think .biz reeks of ICANN's spinelessness.  If they'd been
> willing
> to give the internet community what it wanted it would have taken on Image
> Online Design and approved .web
>
>
> >-- Original Message --
> >Reply-To: dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au
> >From: "Rowe, Joshua" <Joshua.Rowe&#167;auspost.com.au>
> >To: "'Dns List (dns&#167;auda.org.au)'" <dns§auda.org.au>
> >Cc: 'Grant Bayley' <gbayley&#167;ausmac.net>
> >Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 18:03:47 +1000
> >Subject: [DNS] RE: auDA to consider new names for .au
> >
> >
> >Forwarded with Grant's permission.
> >
> >
> >Josh
> >--
> >* any views are my own
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Grant Bayley [mailto:gbayley&#167;ausmac.net]
> >Sent: Wednesday, 24 April 2002 5:35 PM
> >To: Rowe, Joshua
> >Cc: Link List (link&#167;www.anu.edu.au)
> >Subject: Re: [LINK] auDA to consider new names for .au
> >
> >
> >On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, Rowe, Joshua wrote:
> >
> >> auDA to consider new names for .au
> >> http://www.auda.org.au/about/news/2002042402.html
> >
> >[snip]
> >
> >> auDA is considering whether there is sufficient public support for the
> >
> >> creation of some new 2LDs. For example, should auDA follow the example
> >
> >> of ICANN and create a new "biz.au" or "name.au"? Another option might
>
> >> be to create new 2LDs for specific sectors of the community, like
> >> "law.au" for lawyers.
> >
> >I'll bite on this particular point.
> >
> >Anyone else think that ".biz" reeks of "1999 dot com excesses"?
> >
> >For this reason alone I'd assert that it's worth ignoring.
> >
> >> auDA is particularly interested in receiving proposals for the
> >> existing info.au 2LD, which is currently inactive.
> >>
> >> "Now that the .info gTLD has commenced operation, we think there is
> >> real potential for info.au to become a very popular domain among
> >> Australian Internet users," said auDA CEO, Chris Disspain.
> >
> >This is mostly personal opinion, but the existing "new" TLDs have gotten
> >a
> >bad name for themselves, and mostly because of the process that was
> followed
> >to bring them into operation.  Firstly, the fact that preference
> was given
> >to those wanted to "reserve" / stake a claim to an existing name meant
> that
> >it was abused heavily by anyone that could convincingly lie about the
> >trademarks/service marks etc that they held.  Secondly, the fact that
> >spammers picked up the baton and ran with it for .biz/.info/.name meant
> that
> >by the time the domains eventually became available, there was such
> >confusion and latent anger about having received 500 unsolicited email
> >offers to "reserve" domains in the new TLDs, nobody cared about them.
> >
> >More personal opinion.  Who really wants a domain ending in .name?
> >"john.smith.name"  That's got about as much appeal as a warm, mouldy rag.
> >Ditto on ".per" as a 2LD/TLD.  At the very least, an opening up of .id.au
> >without the 3LD requirement for an Australian animal ought to cater for
> the
> >demand for personal domain names.
> >
> >As Chris has hinted at above, the only TLD/2LD's that strike me as having
> >any appeal are those that can be immediately used by organisations that
> are
> >part of a body of professionals or perhaps a club (.law, .club (?)),
> >organisations that perform some historical, information aggregation or
> >archiving function (.museum, .archive (?)), or provide a clear
> and obvious
> >source of information on a particular topic (.info).
> >
> >Grant
> >
> >
> >
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