Bruce,
We ask a registrant to renew a domain name for 2 years.  During the course
of the registration period the registrant decides to change registrars or
resellers. Is the registrant then in breach of a contract with us?
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From: "Michael-Pappas" <auda&#167;michael-pappas.com>
To: <dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au>
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 3:08 PM
Subject: RE: [DNS] Transfer of Registrar of Record


> > But conceptually, allowing a domain name renewal for a full two years
> > to take place at any time has some advantages:
> >
> > * Entities with more than one domain name can arrange for all the
> > renewals to fall due at the same time, if they so wish.
> >
> > * Entities with more than one domain name can arrange it so that all
> > their renewals don't fall due at the same time, if they so wish.
> >
>
> This can be arranged now if a company wishes or could be by the
registrar..
> with out forcing people to do so. Terminate the domain name and re apply
at
> the time of renewal the registrant wants. This is well within the
> registrars abilities and also the registrants.
>
> > * In an odd sort of way it acts as a consumer protection measure for
> > the Registrant - it makes the Change of Registrar of Record a more
> > significant event by tying it to a renewal, which may minimise
> > unnecessary churn.
> >
>
> Not sure what is meant by this. How and in what way is it 'sort of
> protecting the registrant if they are forced to pay more than is needed.
>
> Also what is minimize unnecessary churn ??? Are you referring to the load
> on the registry...
>
> Also i see this hurting competiting registrars being forced to pay higher
> registry costs.
>
> What I see as happening is original registrar pays the registry $50, then
> transfer occurs in 1 year and another $50 is paid to the registry..
>
> What is the registry paying to auDA $11 or $22. or may be it's $16.5
>
> What happens here???
>
> > * And the full two year renewal also is a consumer protection measure
> > if it stops the problem of entities charging for a Change of Registrar
> > WITHOUT doing a renewal.....
>
> This implies that policies are not going to be in place to take consumers
> problems and action then accordingly. Also that registrars and reseller
are
> all this way inclined.
>
> > Think about this scenario:  Registrant is a company with 3 divisions or
> > trademarks and they have a domain name for each of them.  Registrar A
> > says to the Registrant "we're the Registrar for one of your domain
> > names, it will be simpler if we're the Registrar for all of your domain
> > names - pays us a "Change of Registrar" fee and we'll transfer the
> > other ones for you. Registrant pays out money and doesn't even get a
> > renewal.
> >
>
> Then they complain to the auDA and action will be taken against the
> registrar.
>
> > * Even the issue of 'losing' part of the registration period that's
> > been previously paid for isn't as straightforward as it seems.  The
> > difficulty here is that we have to make a few assumptions and we don't
> > have enough information about how the Registry / Registrars / Resellers
> > might operate, but.....
> >
> > To minimise unnecessary churn there probably should be some sort of fee
> > attached to a Change of Registrar of Record.  Now, suppose we assume
> > that after the introduction of competition, the cost of renewing com.au
> > domain names settles down at $100.  And lets assume a 'Change of
> > Registrar of Record only' fee of $50.
>
> What is the transfer fee for if the current proposal is taken up??? I
would
> be hard pressed to pay additional sees to change registrars..
> this 'thwarts' competition.
>
> > If your domain name is in the first year of your two year licence
> > period, you may think paying the fee for a Change of Registrar that's
> > less than the renewal fee looks OK.  But after the first year, its
> > actually better value to just do a full renewal for two years and get
> > the Change of Registrar thrown in for nothing.  So it probably all
> > evens out in the long run.
> >
> > * The other advantage of the existing proposal - one of the reasons
> > I've come to think clause 3.2b in the draft is so clever - is that its
> > elegantly simple from a policy and administrative viewpoint.  Don't
> > need a separate procedure for Change of Registrar of Record.  Don't
> > have to worry about who's going to incur the cost of changes, will a
> > fee have to be levied to cover the costs by the Registry or Registrar
> > or Reseller, etc, etc.  And having policy and administrative simplicity
> > counts for a lot!
> >
> >
>
> This clause to me is a disadvantage. eariler you say that there will be a
> transfer fee.. ($50).. then here you say that it's not worries about who
> incurs the cost.. yeah it seems the registrant will... What extra cost is
> there in applying a transfer fee that you say will apply..
>
> For me to understand why I an paying extra for a renewal/transfer I need t
> know what this cost is incoured for I simply don't see it..
>
> Renewal/transfer/new domain name all have the same requirements and should
> not be any different. 2 years license and they must all keep in with the
> requirements of the registration agreements.
>
> If they 2 years was not added to change registrars then I can see why I
> would need to charge for the change. But your way there is none...
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael-Pappas.
>
>
> >
> > Regards, Mark
> >
> > Mark Hughes
> > Effective Business Applications Pty Ltd
> > effectivebusiness&#167;pplications.com.au
> > www.pplications.com.au
> > +61 4 1374 3959
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