Re: [DNS] Code of conduct

Re: [DNS] Code of conduct

From: Rod Keys <rod§ddns.com.au>
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:13:26 +1100
Chris,
Check the whois for internetnamesregistrar.com ...nsi.com ..whois...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Disspain" <ceo&#167;auda.org.au>
To: <dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au>
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 10:04 AM
Subject: RE: [DNS] Code of conduct


> Once again you have taken the opportunity to insult, rant and not
> actually deal with the issue at hand. I will respond only to matters
> relevant to the topic. Personal insults, jibes, snide comments and other
> detritus serve only to reduce your credibility and shroud what might
> otherwise be valuable input in a cloak of vitriol.
>
> You seem to think that contributing to this list gives you some right to
> be heard or, for that matter, to be responded to. It does not. It is a
> discussion list and that is all. auDA reads the list and on occasions
> such as this responds. We listen and take note of what is said. But this
> list is not representative of the 'industry'. If you want to be
> effective you would be better served by getting involved instead of
> carping from the side lines. This of course would involve you ditching
> the use of false names and necessitate a level of decorum and
> rationality. It would also involve you understanding the processes.
>
> You clearly have no understanding of the process and do not appear to
> have read any of the documents. Are you for example aware of the
> restrictions to be placed on registrars (and their resellers) in auDA's
> Registrar Agreement?
>
> You certainly do not appear to have attended the Registrar Agreement
> public meetings at which the agreement and the Code of Practice were
> originally discussed. You also do not appear to have attended the
> initial Code of Practice meeting because if you had you would understand
> that the Code of  Practice committee is not auDA's committee but yours
> (ie the industry). We are simply facilitating it.
>
> I repeat some indisputable facts. We called for nominations (and as a
> courtesy published that call on the DNS list). This call for nominations
> was at the request of the industry. At the initial meeting, they asked
> us to do it on their behalf. I have no doubt that those that were there
> will happily confirm this. The number of the committee and its processes
> were also set by them and not by us. It is, you see, an industry
> committee attempting to draft what will be an industry Code of Practice.
>
> Neither you nor any of your 'colleagues' (whoever they may be) bothered
> to nominate for the Code of Practice committee notwithstanding your
> supposed passion about the issue. That I'm afraid severely damages your
> credibility on this issue.
>
> The choice is yours. Feel free to continue to bellow your insults to the
> DNS list under the cover of a false name or put your money where your
> mouth is and actually get involved in the process.
>
> Regards,
>
> Chris Disspain
> CEO - auDA
> ceo&#167;auda.org.au
> www.auda.org.au
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ginger FISH [mailto:ginger&#167;internetnamesregistrar.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, 19 March 2002 0:54
> To: dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au
> Subject: RE: [DNS] Code of conduct
>
> Chris,
>
> Let me see if I've got this straight. Firstly you note that not all the
> names mentioned are on the committee? Three out of four mentioned are on
> the
> code of conduct committee Chris, perhaps you might wish to read your own
> website?
>
> You say "but they were the only ones who nominated ?"  The scammers?
> And
> that's your excuse for not running an effective administration ?
>
> Distasteful that you pass off issues and ridicule those who care enough
> to
> bring them to your attention Chris. Perhaps if you worked in the
> industry
> alongside consumers rather than simply signing off a few papers here and
> there you might take it all a little more seriously, take the time to
> look
> into issues, and perhaps make your administration stand for something.
>
> You were unaware of the Netregistry debacle until it was thrown in your
> face
> and you had to deal with it. Are you a fan of deja vu Chris? We are busy
> people, we don't have all the time in the world, but we will persist,
> and in
> many arenas. And why? because we give a damn Chris. We give a damn about
> all
> the little people out there who have been lead to believe that this code
> of
> conduct will be enforceable, that it will affect change.  How can it
> possibly when a bunch of known scammers are sitting on the committee and
> the
> auDA Director perceives that as being totally acceptable because they
> were
> the only ones who nominated themselves. That is a cop-out. That is
> totally
> unacceptable.
>
> Ginger
> ginger&#167;internetnamesregistrar.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Disspain [mailto:ceo&#167;auda.org.au]
> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 9:46 AM
> To: dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au
> Subject: RE: [DNS] Code of conduct
>
>
> 1. Most of the names you mention are not on the committee.
> 2. Perhaps you would care to explain why they should not be and FAR MORE
> IMPORTANTLY
> 3. Perhaps you'd care to explain why you and everyone else who simply
> use this list in the same way that a cat uses a scratching pole did not
> even bother to nominate for the committee or turn up at the initial
> meeting or contribute anything whatsoever to the process.
>
> Oh, and just so we're clear, the reason why the committee comprises the
> people it comprises is because they nominated and, they were the ONLY
> PEOPLE who nominated.
>
> BTW, many thanks to whoever included my name in a song on the list the
> other day. Another goal I can tick off the list.
>
> Chris Disspain
> CEO - auDA
> ceo&#167;auda.org.au
> www.auda.org.au
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ginger Fish [mailto:ginger-fish&#167;scifi-art.com]
> Sent: Sunday, 17 March 2002 12:21
> To: dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au
> Subject: RE: [DNS] Code of conduct
>
> Dear Bruce,
>
>
> in other words :
>
> WHY WOULD auDA ALLOW PEOPLE LIKE NETREGISTRY , DNA and DDNS TO BE ON THE
> VERY COMMITEE THAT IS SUPPOSED TO KICK THESE PEOPLE OUT OR AT LEAST MAKE
> THEM BEHAVE ?
>
> Don't you find that a bit illogical Bruce, or if you have a logical and
> reasonable explanation to that, i am willing to hear and understand it.
> Doesn't that bother you ? or are scammers considered as equals with
> honest
> businesses now ? is the .au administration so corrupt and rotten at the
> core
> that it is impossible not to have the gangsters at the helm ? Give us an
> explanation Bruce, because maybe I'm all wrong , maybe i'm just an idiot
> that does not read english properly
>  http://www.auda.org.au/policy/code-committee-2002/ ) , so PLEASE
> EXPLAIN....
>
>
> Best Regards, Bruce
>
> Ginger
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ginger Fish [mailto:ginger-fish&#167;scifi-art.com]
> Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 12:10 PM
> To: dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au
> Subject: RE: [DNS] Code of conduct
>
>
> Bruce, thank you for answering the first part, but i think you missed
> the
> second part :
>
> auDA is well aware of the business practices of these companies and yet
> here
> THEY SITE ON THE CODE OF CONDUCT COMMITEE
>
>
> NETREGISTRY  proved they could not be trusted with the auNIC database
> and
> yet the same company have a representative on the Code of Conduct
> Commitee?
>
> Peter Dean, Istra Pty Ltd, www.aunic.com.au, Director of auDA, conflict
> of
> interest, and to top it off, sits on the Code of Conduct Commitee ?
>
> And, Rod "Scam claim over com.au reselling" Keys.
>
> http://www.auda.org.au/policy/code-committee-2002/
>
> Rod Keys  Discount Domain Names  Reseller    DISCOUNT DOMAIN NAMES??
> see
> below
> Brett Fenton ( Larry's dog )  NetRegistry  Registrar         NET
> REGISTRY?
> see below
> Peter Dean  Instra Group  Registrar          YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING
>
>
> "Domain Name Authority of Australia (DNA) Business Manager - Rod Keys
> "Scam claim over com.au reselling.
> http://www.it.mycareer.com.au/e-commerce/20001024/A2319-2000Oct23.html
>
> "Melbourne's Domain Name Authority of Australia (www.dna.asn.au) has
> been
> writing in hard copy to com.au name owners ahead of the renewal date,
> offering to renew their names."
>
> "Domain Name Authority of Australia (DNA) Business Manager - Rod Keys
> "Domain name resellers blockade rival company"
> http://www.it.mycareer.com.au/breaking/20001017/A56590-2000Oct17.html
>
>
> INTERNET NAME GROUP  - PROVISIONALLY ACCREDITED REGISTRAR
>
> Sasha Sudakov attends Code of Conduct Meeting. --- WHAT FOR??????
> http://www.auda.org.au/about/minutes/public-20011211.pdf
>
> Internet Name Group scam
> http://www.auda.org.au/list/dns/archive/032001/0060.html
>
> The greed behind gratuitous grace
> http://www.smh.com.au/icon/0111/13/news4.html
>
> Riddle of 10-year deals on .au names with a two-year life
> http://it.mycareer.com.au/networking/20010410/A35593-2001Apr10.html
>
> Name seller flogs .biz names via asic.com
> http://www.smh.com.au/news/0106/22/biztech/biztech15.html
>
> "Spam" Attack Prompts Suspension By Domainz.
> http://www.aardvark.co.nz/pr2001/090601.htm
>
> http://www.idg.net.nz/webhome.nsf/UNID/D6AC0A53F05ECFC6CC256ABF00090DE4!
> open
> document
>
>
>
> Ginger
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bruce Tonkin [mailto:Bruce.Tonkin&#167;melbourneit.com.au]
> Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 4:26 AM
> To: dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au
> Subject: [DNS] Code of conduct
>
>
> >
> > WHAT HOPE IS THERE FOR ANY PROPOSED CODE OF CONDUCT ??
> > It is unclear when it will be introduced
> > It is unclear if it will be enforceable
> > It is unclear as to whether or not it will be enforceable,
> > how and by whom?
>
> Actually it is reasonable clear.
>
> There is an interim code of conduct that already exists. In the absence
> of
> any changes by the date the new registry (operated by AusRegistry) goes
> live, then this will be the code that must be adhered to by registrars.
> In
> the meantime, we have encouraged companies that sell domain name
> services to
> adhere to the interim code, and people can sign up to it voluntarily.
> However there is no enforcement of the code until the new registrar
> agreements come into effect.  Note most industries have codes that are
> purely voluntary, we are at least trying to go one step further to
> include
> in registrar licence agreements.
>
> There is a code of conduct committee that is trying to refine the
> interim
> code.  It is hoped that the next refinement will be complete by around
> June
> 2002.
>
> The code will be enforceable by auDA, and failure to abide by the code
> can
> result in loss of registrar licence.  However ultimately any company can
> sell domain names without any licence.  The licence purely gives them
> direct
> access to communicate with the registry.  A comany can still act on
> behalf
> of the registrant and purchase their domain names from any registrar or
> reseller.
>
> The best method of enforcement is by consumers themselves choosing to
> use a
> reputable provider of their services.  That is the whole point of
> competition.  To do this consumers need to be well informed.  Consumers
> make
> their decisions for real estate agents, auto repairers, car dealers etc
> based on their knowledge of the industry and word-of-mouth.  In many
> cases
> there are independent organisations such as RACV, CHOICE etc that
> publish
> articles that compare the products and services of different providers.
> The
> fall back is the Trade Practices Act - which is administered by the
> ACCC.
>
> I encourage all members of the industry to continue to educate and keep
> informed their customers.   If auDA needs to continually be involved in
> enforcement this will raise the prices of domain names services for us
> all
> (as auDA's costs are passed onto registrants through a per domain name
> fee),
> and potentially result in the Government taking over control of the
> function.
>
> SO lets keep the code of conduct in perspective.  It is not the solution
> to
> all problems, but an important step forward.  It will also help educate
> new
> players in the industry on acceptable practices.  Ultimately it will be
> up
> to us all to educate consumers about the existance of a code, and only
> purchase products and services from those that adhere to the code.
>
> Regards,
> Bruce Tonkin
>
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