Re: [DNS] Code of conduct

Re: [DNS] Code of conduct

From: Nathanael Boehm <cybsnoop§tpg.com.au>
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:38:07 +1100
.... and your point is? :-s

 - SnooP

----- Original Message -----
From: Rod Keys <rod&#167;ddns.com.au>
To: <dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au>
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: [DNS] Code of conduct


> Chris,
> Check the whois for internetnamesregistrar.com ...nsi.com ..whois...
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Disspain" <ceo&#167;auda.org.au>
> To: <dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 10:04 AM
> Subject: RE: [DNS] Code of conduct
>
>
> > Once again you have taken the opportunity to insult, rant and not
> > actually deal with the issue at hand. I will respond only to matters
> > relevant to the topic. Personal insults, jibes, snide comments and other
> > detritus serve only to reduce your credibility and shroud what might
> > otherwise be valuable input in a cloak of vitriol.
> >
> > You seem to think that contributing to this list gives you some right to
> > be heard or, for that matter, to be responded to. It does not. It is a
> > discussion list and that is all. auDA reads the list and on occasions
> > such as this responds. We listen and take note of what is said. But this
> > list is not representative of the 'industry'. If you want to be
> > effective you would be better served by getting involved instead of
> > carping from the side lines. This of course would involve you ditching
> > the use of false names and necessitate a level of decorum and
> > rationality. It would also involve you understanding the processes.
> >
> > You clearly have no understanding of the process and do not appear to
> > have read any of the documents. Are you for example aware of the
> > restrictions to be placed on registrars (and their resellers) in auDA's
> > Registrar Agreement?
> >
> > You certainly do not appear to have attended the Registrar Agreement
> > public meetings at which the agreement and the Code of Practice were
> > originally discussed. You also do not appear to have attended the
> > initial Code of Practice meeting because if you had you would understand
> > that the Code of  Practice committee is not auDA's committee but yours
> > (ie the industry). We are simply facilitating it.
> >
> > I repeat some indisputable facts. We called for nominations (and as a
> > courtesy published that call on the DNS list). This call for nominations
> > was at the request of the industry. At the initial meeting, they asked
> > us to do it on their behalf. I have no doubt that those that were there
> > will happily confirm this. The number of the committee and its processes
> > were also set by them and not by us. It is, you see, an industry
> > committee attempting to draft what will be an industry Code of Practice.
> >
> > Neither you nor any of your 'colleagues' (whoever they may be) bothered
> > to nominate for the Code of Practice committee notwithstanding your
> > supposed passion about the issue. That I'm afraid severely damages your
> > credibility on this issue.
> >
> > The choice is yours. Feel free to continue to bellow your insults to the
> > DNS list under the cover of a false name or put your money where your
> > mouth is and actually get involved in the process.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Chris Disspain
> > CEO - auDA
> > ceo&#167;auda.org.au
> > www.auda.org.au
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ginger FISH [mailto:ginger&#167;internetnamesregistrar.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, 19 March 2002 0:54
> > To: dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au
> > Subject: RE: [DNS] Code of conduct
> >
> > Chris,
> >
> > Let me see if I've got this straight. Firstly you note that not all the
> > names mentioned are on the committee? Three out of four mentioned are on
> > the
> > code of conduct committee Chris, perhaps you might wish to read your own
> > website?
> >
> > You say "but they were the only ones who nominated ?"  The scammers?
> > And
> > that's your excuse for not running an effective administration ?
> >
> > Distasteful that you pass off issues and ridicule those who care enough
> > to
> > bring them to your attention Chris. Perhaps if you worked in the
> > industry
> > alongside consumers rather than simply signing off a few papers here and
> > there you might take it all a little more seriously, take the time to
> > look
> > into issues, and perhaps make your administration stand for something.
> >
> > You were unaware of the Netregistry debacle until it was thrown in your
> > face
> > and you had to deal with it. Are you a fan of deja vu Chris? We are busy
> > people, we don't have all the time in the world, but we will persist,
> > and in
> > many arenas. And why? because we give a damn Chris. We give a damn about
> > all
> > the little people out there who have been lead to believe that this code
> > of
> > conduct will be enforceable, that it will affect change.  How can it
> > possibly when a bunch of known scammers are sitting on the committee and
> > the
> > auDA Director perceives that as being totally acceptable because they
> > were
> > the only ones who nominated themselves. That is a cop-out. That is
> > totally
> > unacceptable.
> >
> > Ginger
> > ginger&#167;internetnamesregistrar.com
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chris Disspain [mailto:ceo&#167;auda.org.au]
> > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 9:46 AM
> > To: dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au
> > Subject: RE: [DNS] Code of conduct
> >
> >
> > 1. Most of the names you mention are not on the committee.
> > 2. Perhaps you would care to explain why they should not be and FAR MORE
> > IMPORTANTLY
> > 3. Perhaps you'd care to explain why you and everyone else who simply
> > use this list in the same way that a cat uses a scratching pole did not
> > even bother to nominate for the committee or turn up at the initial
> > meeting or contribute anything whatsoever to the process.
> >
> > Oh, and just so we're clear, the reason why the committee comprises the
> > people it comprises is because they nominated and, they were the ONLY
> > PEOPLE who nominated.
> >
> > BTW, many thanks to whoever included my name in a song on the list the
> > other day. Another goal I can tick off the list.
> >
> > Chris Disspain
> > CEO - auDA
> > ceo&#167;auda.org.au
> > www.auda.org.au
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ginger Fish [mailto:ginger-fish&#167;scifi-art.com]
> > Sent: Sunday, 17 March 2002 12:21
> > To: dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au
> > Subject: RE: [DNS] Code of conduct
> >
> > Dear Bruce,
> >
> >
> > in other words :
> >
> > WHY WOULD auDA ALLOW PEOPLE LIKE NETREGISTRY , DNA and DDNS TO BE ON THE
> > VERY COMMITEE THAT IS SUPPOSED TO KICK THESE PEOPLE OUT OR AT LEAST MAKE
> > THEM BEHAVE ?
> >
> > Don't you find that a bit illogical Bruce, or if you have a logical and
> > reasonable explanation to that, i am willing to hear and understand it.
> > Doesn't that bother you ? or are scammers considered as equals with
> > honest
> > businesses now ? is the .au administration so corrupt and rotten at the
> > core
> > that it is impossible not to have the gangsters at the helm ? Give us an
> > explanation Bruce, because maybe I'm all wrong , maybe i'm just an idiot
> > that does not read english properly
> >  http://www.auda.org.au/policy/code-committee-2002/ ) , so PLEASE
> > EXPLAIN....
> >
> >
> > Best Regards, Bruce
> >
> > Ginger
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ginger Fish [mailto:ginger-fish&#167;scifi-art.com]
> > Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 12:10 PM
> > To: dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au
> > Subject: RE: [DNS] Code of conduct
> >
> >
> > Bruce, thank you for answering the first part, but i think you missed
> > the
> > second part :
> >
> > auDA is well aware of the business practices of these companies and yet
> > here
> > THEY SITE ON THE CODE OF CONDUCT COMMITEE
> >
> >
> > NETREGISTRY  proved they could not be trusted with the auNIC database
> > and
> > yet the same company have a representative on the Code of Conduct
> > Commitee?
> >
> > Peter Dean, Istra Pty Ltd, www.aunic.com.au, Director of auDA, conflict
> > of
> > interest, and to top it off, sits on the Code of Conduct Commitee ?
> >
> > And, Rod "Scam claim over com.au reselling" Keys.
> >
> > http://www.auda.org.au/policy/code-committee-2002/
> >
> > Rod Keys  Discount Domain Names  Reseller    DISCOUNT DOMAIN NAMES??
> > see
> > below
> > Brett Fenton ( Larry's dog )  NetRegistry  Registrar         NET
> > REGISTRY?
> > see below
> > Peter Dean  Instra Group  Registrar          YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING
> >
> >
> > "Domain Name Authority of Australia (DNA) Business Manager - Rod Keys
> > "Scam claim over com.au reselling.
> > http://www.it.mycareer.com.au/e-commerce/20001024/A2319-2000Oct23.html
> >
> > "Melbourne's Domain Name Authority of Australia (www.dna.asn.au) has
> > been
> > writing in hard copy to com.au name owners ahead of the renewal date,
> > offering to renew their names."
> >
> > "Domain Name Authority of Australia (DNA) Business Manager - Rod Keys
> > "Domain name resellers blockade rival company"
> > http://www.it.mycareer.com.au/breaking/20001017/A56590-2000Oct17.html
> >
> >
> > INTERNET NAME GROUP  - PROVISIONALLY ACCREDITED REGISTRAR
> >
> > Sasha Sudakov attends Code of Conduct Meeting. --- WHAT FOR??????
> > http://www.auda.org.au/about/minutes/public-20011211.pdf
> >
> > Internet Name Group scam
> > http://www.auda.org.au/list/dns/archive/032001/0060.html
> >
> > The greed behind gratuitous grace
> > http://www.smh.com.au/icon/0111/13/news4.html
> >
> > Riddle of 10-year deals on .au names with a two-year life
> > http://it.mycareer.com.au/networking/20010410/A35593-2001Apr10.html
> >
> > Name seller flogs .biz names via asic.com
> > http://www.smh.com.au/news/0106/22/biztech/biztech15.html
> >
> > "Spam" Attack Prompts Suspension By Domainz.
> > http://www.aardvark.co.nz/pr2001/090601.htm
> >
> > http://www.idg.net.nz/webhome.nsf/UNID/D6AC0A53F05ECFC6CC256ABF00090DE4!
> > open
> > document
> >
> >
> >
> > Ginger
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bruce Tonkin [mailto:Bruce.Tonkin&#167;melbourneit.com.au]
> > Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 4:26 AM
> > To: dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au
> > Subject: [DNS] Code of conduct
> >
> >
> > >
> > > WHAT HOPE IS THERE FOR ANY PROPOSED CODE OF CONDUCT ??
> > > It is unclear when it will be introduced
> > > It is unclear if it will be enforceable
> > > It is unclear as to whether or not it will be enforceable,
> > > how and by whom?
> >
> > Actually it is reasonable clear.
> >
> > There is an interim code of conduct that already exists. In the absence
> > of
> > any changes by the date the new registry (operated by AusRegistry) goes
> > live, then this will be the code that must be adhered to by registrars.
> > In
> > the meantime, we have encouraged companies that sell domain name
> > services to
> > adhere to the interim code, and people can sign up to it voluntarily.
> > However there is no enforcement of the code until the new registrar
> > agreements come into effect.  Note most industries have codes that are
> > purely voluntary, we are at least trying to go one step further to
> > include
> > in registrar licence agreements.
> >
> > There is a code of conduct committee that is trying to refine the
> > interim
> > code.  It is hoped that the next refinement will be complete by around
> > June
> > 2002.
> >
> > The code will be enforceable by auDA, and failure to abide by the code
> > can
> > result in loss of registrar licence.  However ultimately any company can
> > sell domain names without any licence.  The licence purely gives them
> > direct
> > access to communicate with the registry.  A comany can still act on
> > behalf
> > of the registrant and purchase their domain names from any registrar or
> > reseller.
> >
> > The best method of enforcement is by consumers themselves choosing to
> > use a
> > reputable provider of their services.  That is the whole point of
> > competition.  To do this consumers need to be well informed.  Consumers
> > make
> > their decisions for real estate agents, auto repairers, car dealers etc
> > based on their knowledge of the industry and word-of-mouth.  In many
> > cases
> > there are independent organisations such as RACV, CHOICE etc that
> > publish
> > articles that compare the products and services of different providers.
> > The
> > fall back is the Trade Practices Act - which is administered by the
> > ACCC.
> >
> > I encourage all members of the industry to continue to educate and keep
> > informed their customers.   If auDA needs to continually be involved in
> > enforcement this will raise the prices of domain names services for us
> > all
> > (as auDA's costs are passed onto registrants through a per domain name
> > fee),
> > and potentially result in the Government taking over control of the
> > function.
> >
> > SO lets keep the code of conduct in perspective.  It is not the solution
> > to
> > all problems, but an important step forward.  It will also help educate
> > new
> > players in the industry on acceptable practices.  Ultimately it will be
> > up
> > to us all to educate consumers about the existance of a code, and only
> > purchase products and services from those that adhere to the code.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Bruce Tonkin
> >
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