RE: [DNS] Gideon, please review again

RE: [DNS] Gideon, please review again

From: Jon Lawrence <jon§jonlawrence.com>
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:41:45 +0000
gTLD related issues with ICANN accredited registrars should be raised here:
http://www.internic.net/cgi/registrars/problem-report.cgi

ie not on this list.

jon


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>From: "mervyn morrice" <mervynmorrice&#167;hotmail.com>
>To: dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au
>Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 10:40:38 +0000
>Subject: [DNS] Gideon, please review again
>
>
>Gideon,
>
>Could you please look through these e-mails again as I truly believe that
>
>Melbourne IT are in the wrong. How on earth can a request come to you and
>
>allow a transfer of ownership within minutes of e-mailing me the 
>notification, further more if you transfer ownership that quickly why 
>promote the 48hour time to respond. Why when most requests for transfer
of
>
>ownership have to be not just in writing but on a company letter head did
>
>you allow this to go through and why does your service equate to that of
>
>Ansett Airlines (look what happened to them?)
>
>Incase you don't remember me Bruce, I for a time was unfortunately employed
>
>by Internet Name Group and left months before they were closed down, my
name
>
>is Craig Missell. You have probably also received information from the

>little Director from Internet Name Group, who has been making false claims
>
>about me using hotmail addresses, I can only guess that this is due to
my
>
>cooperating with the ACCC in relation to ING.
>
>The history of my dealings with MIT and the lack of support offered to

>me....................
>
>>From: help&#167;netsol.com To: xxxxxxxxxxx§hotmail.com Subject: Your order

>>status. Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 20:39:24 -0400 (EDT)  ***Please do not reply
>
>>to this email message.*** We've received a request to change the 
>>registrar(s) for the following domain name(s) to VeriSign: Domain Name

>>Current Registrar xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.COM MELBOURNE IT, LTD. D/B/A INTERNET

>>NAMES WORLDWIDE
>>
>>Internet Name Group, a VeriSign authorized partner, entered this request
>on 
>>2002-05-07 19:37:54.0. VeriSign, an ICANN accredited registrar, will 
>>process this acknowledgement of transfer on behalf of Internet Name Group.
>>
>>Upon completion of the transfer, the registrant for the domain name(s)

>>identified above will be 19847388.
>>
>>However, we require authorization from you before we can complete the

>>processing. To obtain the necessary authorization, this email message
was
>
>>sent to the Administrative Contact of the Domain Names listed above at

>>xxxxxxxxxx&#167;hotmail.com.
>>
>>VeriSign will process this acknowledgement of transfer on behalf of 
>>Internet Name Group. If this is a valid request and you wish to approve
>
>>this transfer, please access the secure web page at:
>>
>>https://www.registrar-transfers.com/en_US/controller.jsp?action=transfer_auth&hash_id=eda6b405150f695a8ea39cd16a2180cd
>>
>>If you are unable to click on the link above, please paste the URL into
>
>>your browser and follow the instructions to authorize the Change of 
>>Registrar for the domain name(s).
>>
>>If you don't respond within 14 days from the date of this message, your
>
>>request will be cancelled.
>>
>>Best regards,
>>
>>VeriSign Registrar
>***************************************************************************
>From: das&#167;inww.com
>>To: xxxxxxxx&#167;hotmail.com Subject: Change of Ownership of 
>>xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.com Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 18:10:51 +1000 (GMT+10:00)
>>
>>Dear xxxxxxxxxx,
>>
>>This is to inform you that we had received a request to change the owner
>of 
>>the domain name as listed below
>>
>>Domain Name :xxxxxxxxxxx.com Old Organization Name : yael pty ltd New

>>Organization Name : Open Your Mind New Organization Address: 25 cambridge
>
>>street , caulfield north, Victoria, 3161, AU New Admin Name: domain master
>
>>New Admin Address: 25 cambridge street , caulfield north, Victoria, 3161,
>
>>AU New Admin Email: sasha&#167;internetnamegroup.com
>New Admin Phone: 61395255285
>>
>>Should you dispute this change, please email das&#167;inww.com within 48 hours
>
>>with "Disputed Organization Name Change" as the subject.
>>
>>Internet Names WorldWide A division of Melbourne IT Ltd. A.C.N. 073 716
>793 
>>www.inww.com
>>
>>Level 2 120 King Street MELBOURNE VIC 3000 AUSTRALIA PH: +613 8624 2400
>
>>FAX: +613 9620 2250
>
>
>I do not give permision for the change of ownership of my domain name 
>xxxxxxxxxxx.com If this change of ownership is allowed to go through I
will
>
>hold you personally responsibleI have not given any permision in writing
>or 
>otherwise for this to happen, can you please show me where I gave permision
>
>for this to happen. Nor did I give permision for my details to be changed
>***********************************************************************
>>From: "DAS" To: "xxxxxxxxxxx" Subject: {INWW#001-720-356}"Disputed 
>>Organization Name Change" Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 23:42:01 +1000
>>
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>
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>
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>I would want the following domain names all changed to direct domain names
>
>with melbourne it. I also for security purposes need all the registry keys
>
>changed ASAP.
>Below please find the registry keys and the domain names. Please also 
>recover the registry key for melbourneaustralia.info
>xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>This reguest is urgent. My contact there is Amy.
>Please confirm that you have received the fax just sent in relation to
my
>
>domain names including xxxxxxxx.com and others.
>This request is urgent
>Thanking You
>xxxxxxxxxx
>xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Email:  xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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>>From: "DAS" To: "xxxxxxxxxxxx" Subject: {INWW#001-720-356}"Disputed 
>>Organization Name Change" Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 23:42:01 +1000
>>
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>>
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>
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>
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>Im wanting to know why after responding to your e-mail, demanding that
my
>
>domain name not be transfered from Yael pty ltd to Open Your Mind within
>the 
>48 hour period, was the change made possible.
>I followed your direction and now am in a very unhappy position, not knowing
>
>if my domain name is lost. I am about to go live with my very own web site
>
>but no longer am in control of my domain name.
>Please respond right away as this is a very big issue, which I want resolved
>
>right away.
>xxxxxxx
>xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Tel : +xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Email : xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Email: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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>>From: das&#167;inww.com To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Change of Ownership
of
>
>>xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.com Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 18:10:51 +1000 (GMT+10:00)
>>
>>Dear xxxxxxxxxx,
>>
>>This is to inform you that we had received a request to change the owner
>of 
>>the domain name as listed below
>>
>>Domain Name : xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.com Old Organization Name : yael pty ltd
New
>
>>Organization Name : Open Your Mind New Organization Address: 25 cambridge
>
>>street , caulfield north, Victoria, 3161, AU New Admin Name: domain master
>
>>New Admin Address: 25 cambridge street , caulfield north, Victoria, 3161,
>
>>AU New Admin Email: sasha&#167;internetnamegroup.com New Admin Phone: 
>>61395255285
>>
>>Should you dispute this change, please email das&#167;inww.com within 48 hours
>
>>with "Disputed Organization Name Change" as the subject.
>>
>>Internet Names WorldWide A division of Melbourne IT Ltd. A.C.N. 073 716
>793 
>>www.inww.com
>>
>>Level 2 120 King Street MELBOURNE VIC 3000 AUSTRALIA PH: +613 8624 2400
>
>>FAX: +>From: "DAS"
>To: "xxxxxxxxxx"
>>Subject: {INWW#001-722-084}Re: Change of Ownership of xxxxxxxxxx.com Date:
>
>>Tue, 28 May 2002 19:57:02 +1000
>>
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>
>>9620 2250
>Gideon,
>I have not heard from melbourne IT in relation to my domain name 
>xxxxxxxxxxx.com and the details have not been changed back to mine.
>I have also had no responce to the changing of all of my domain names 
>registry keys and management through MIT.
>Please advise me ASAP. Im so sorry for being pushy but these are real issues
>
>and of huge concern to me.
>
>Looking forward to your responce.
>With Thanks
>xxxxxxx
>xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Tel : +xxxxxxx
>Email : xxxxxxx
>Email: xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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>the sender
>specifically states them to be the views of xxxxxxxxxxxx Agencies.
>>From: xxxxxxxxxxxxx To: "'Gideon.Culican&#167;melbourneit.com.au'" CC: 
>>"xxxxxxxxxxxxxx" Subject: xxxxxxxxxx.com Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 12:34:24
>
>>+1000
>>
>>6 June 2002.
>>
>>
>>xxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx
>>
>>
>>To: Melbourne IT
>>
>>
>>Re: xxxxxxxxxx.com
>>
>>
>>I first registered the domain name using a company name YAEL PTY LTD 
>>through Internet Name Group some years ago. Out of the blue I received
a
>
>>request generated by VeriSign informing me that they had received a request
>
>>for a transfer of registrar from Melbourne IT to VeriSign, I had never

>>requested this. I did not respond to the request and on Wednesday 22 May
>
>>2002 I received e-mail from help&#167;netsol confirming that the transfer had
>
>>failed, as I had not responded. It also informed me that e-mail had been
>
>>sent to Internet Name Group, as that was the party that had requested
the
>
>>transfer without my written or verbal request.
>>
>>The next request I received was from Melbourne IT (27 May 2002) informing
>
>>me that they had received a request to change ownership of the domain
name
>
>>to Open Your Mind, at no stage had I made this request. As per the e-mail,
>
>>I responded within 48 hours, writing that under no circumstances was my
>
>>domain name to be transferred from my ownership to that of Open Your Mind.
>
>>On the 28 May 2002, I received an automated response confirming that my
>
>>rejection of transfer had been received (INWW#001-722-084).
>>
>>The next thing I knew was that the domain name I owned had successfully
>had 
>>a change of ownership to Sasha Sudakov, using his e-mail address and 
>>private residential address. I can only deduce that I did not receive
any
>
>>warnings as Sasha Sudakov had changed e-mail contacts, as he possessed
the
>
>>registry key being a director of Internet Name Group.
>>
>>After numerous discussions with various Melbourne IT representatives,
I
>
>>then find out that not only had I been removed as owner of the domain
name
>
>>but a transfer of registrar to Network Solutions had also taken place

>>without my knowledge or approval.
>>
>>I have requested for Sasha Sudakov to return my domain name, with no 
>>success. I know require for Melbourne IT to do whatever needs to be done
>to 
>>recover the name including contacting Network Solutions. If the ownership
>
>>in full is not transferred back to me by Friday 14 June, I will also be
>
>>contacting Robert Sindarly from Network Solutions, as this now effects
an
>
>>overseas company I will also be lodging a complaint with ICANN, AUDA and
>
>>all Australian Registrars to explain the issues, which include the abuse
>of 
>>position and access to domain registry keys, transfer of ownership without
>
>>written permission and transfer of registrar without written permission.
>
>>Please also be aware that these actions are the work of Internet Name
Group
>
>>Director Sasha Sudakov and not that of any other Internet Name Group 
>>employee or Director.
>>
>>I do have all the necessary paperwork to back up my claims, which Melbourne
>
>>IT has already sighted. There will be only one outcome for this and that
>
>>will be the return of the domain name to the rightful owner. The only

>>question is how many organizations and regulatory bodies will become 
>>involved before this happens.
>>
>>Gideon,
>>
>>Please keep me updated as I need this issue resolved ASAP, and am looking
>
>>to you for assistance and advise.
>>
>>
>>Thanking You
>>
>Gideon,
>Thank you for your time on the phone the other day.
>After looking through all the e-mails and information, it has become 
>apparent to me that if Melbourne I.T had acted on my e-mail not to transfer
>
>ownership of the domain name xxxxxxxx.com away from myself to Sasha Sudakov
>
>(Open Your Mind), then Sasha would not have been able to inforced the 
>transfer of registrar.
>I have the read receipt rejecting transfer of ownership of the domain and
>my 
>question is what is Melbourne I.T going to do to help me retrieve the name,
>
>and have this done ASAP.
>Please advise ASAP.
>xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>xxxxxxxxxx
>Tel : +xxxxxxxxxx
>Email : xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Email:  xxxxxxxxx
>>From: "POLICY" To: "xxxxxxxxxxx" Subject: {INWW#002-103-362 xxxxxxxxxxx.com
>
>>Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:36:07 +1000
>>
>>xxxxxx further to your recent call to our Customer Service department
I
>
>>advise that we cannot offer any further information than the email I sent
>
>>you in July. Given that your reseller had changed the contact details
for
>
>>this name then the transfer to the other Registrar went ahead. This is
an
>
>>issue you must take up with the current licence holder for the name as
I
>
>>understand they are connected with your reseller at the time and you had
>
>>given them management rights and the use of the domain name.
>>
>>regards
>>
>>Jan Webster Manager, Policy Implementation Melbourne IT Ltd ACN 073 716
>793 
>>Level 2, 120 King St Melbourne 3000 Telephone +61 3 8624 2400 Fax : +61
>3 
>>8624 2499 Home page : www.melbourneit.com.au
>>
>>This message and/or attached documents may contain confidential and 
>>privileged information and should only be read by those persons to whom
>
>>this message is addressed. This message is copyright to Melbourne IT and
>
>>disclosure, copying or forwarding this message and attachments without
the
>
>>owner's approval is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received
>
>>this message in error, please notify the sender via return email and delete
>
>>the original message from any computer. Thank you for your co-operation
>
>
>Hello xxxxxx,
>
>We have analysed your case and it is clear that your reseller at the time
>processed a change of ownership using valid authorisation and changed the
>contact details, and the new licence holder authorised a transfer to another
>registrar.
>
>This is an issue you must take up with the current licence holder for
>the name as I understand they are connected with your
>reseller at the time and you had given them management
>rights and the use of the domain name.
>
>We are not able to help you any further.
>
>Regards,
>Bruce Tonkin
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>From: "Giznet DNS Department" <dns&#167;giznet.com>
>>Reply-To: dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au
>>To: <dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au>
>>Subject: RE: [DNS] How long should a transfer take?
>>Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 13:23:42 +1100 (AUS Eastern Daylight Time)
>>
>>hehehe, go get'em Merv.
>>
>>
>>
>>-------Original Message-------
>>
>>From: dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au
>>Date: Thursday, 31 October 2002 1:09:38 PM
>>To: dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au
>>Subject: RE: [DNS] How long should a transfer take?
>>
>>Wayne,
>>
>>The Melbourne IT guestimate for a transfer is laughable, they transferred
>a
>>domain name from me on the request of another, the other happened to be
>a
>>then channel partner. The name was transferred away from me to a completely
>>new owner, I was sent a transfer request from MIT and within (I kid you
>
>>not)
>>
>>a few minutes of that being e-mailed to me, the transfer had already taken
>>place. After about four months of asking MIT to help I get the "out of
our
>>hands" from yes Mr. Bruce Tonkin. Follow the story folks as from monday
>I
>>will be posting the e-mail correspondence between MIT and myself to the
>DNS
>>list. MIT shape up or ship out!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >From: Wayne Herring <wayne&#167;wayneherring.com>
>> >Reply-To: dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au
>> >To: dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au
>> >Subject: RE: [DNS] How long should a transfer take?
>> >Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 09:17:08 +1000
>> >
>> >Thanks Bruce.
>> >
>> >That wasn't meant as a criticism of MIT, just asking what the process
>
>>was.
>> >
>> >Regards,
>> >
>> >Wayne
>> >
>> >At 09:09 AM 25/10/2002 +1000, you wrote:
>> >>Hello Wayne,
>> >>
>> >>It takes a maximum of two days from the time when the transfer is
>> >>initiated.
>> >>This is implemented in the AusRegistry software.
>> >>
>> >>The losing registrar has not ability to deny a transfer.
>> >>
>> >>From the auDA transfer of registrar policy
>> >>(http://www.auda.org.au/docs/auda-2002-08.txt):
>> >>
>> >>"4.6 Transfers that have been properly authorised and processed
>> >>according
>> >>to the requirements of this policy and any
>> >>procedural requirements of the registry, will proceed within 2 days
of
>> >>initiation. "
>> >>
>> >>Regards,
>> >>Bruce
>> >>
>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > From: Wayne Herring [mailto:wayne&#167;wayneherring.com]
>> >> > Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 9:00 AM
>> >> > To: dns&#167;lists.auda.org.au
>> >> > Subject: [DNS] How long should a transfer take?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > How long should a transfer take between two registrars? I
>> >> > customer who is
>> >> > moving a domain from Melbourne IT to Enetica. They approved
>> >> > the transfer
>> >> > yesterday. Enetica told me the hold up was probably at
>> >> > Melbourne IT's end,
>> >> > Melbourne IT tell me that the delay is at the registry end
>> >> > and that it will
>> >> > take 2-3 days. In the meantime the domain is locked and I
>> >> > can't redelegate
>> >> > it (I know, I should have made the changes before doing the 
>>transfer).
>> >> >
>> >> > Wayne
>> >> >
>> >> >
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