Michael,

I believe that Karl's views can be applied to a wider
context that just ISOC-AU.  They very closely reflect
what I know to be the views of AVCC, CSIRO and a number
of the DNS delegates.

At present, INTIAA has no oversight, by anyone.  This is
not appropiate for a body that wishes to be the body that
establishes policy for .AU.

I would hope that a mechanism evolves that provides oversight
by a representative range of interested parties.

The problem with ADNA being "a range of Internet related
associations" is that is is not, and cannot be under its
current structure, a representative range of interested
parties.  For example, where does DOCA and a consumer
organisation fit into such a structure?  Yet both of these
are parties with valid oversight interests.

The "join us and work from the inside" argument is hardly
attractive when such a course implies support for ADNA's
current structure.  I note that at least a third of ADNA's
six initial full members are "working from the inside".

The usual method of obtaining an acceptable structure is to
negotiate *before* the establishment of the organisation.
To establish the organisation whilst such negotiations
were in progress was not a sign of good faith.

Nor is good faith engendered by public comments like:

> As long as any body I am involved in has a say in the
> process...

the tone of which imples a suprising, and perhaps
unintended, personal antipathy.

Cheers,
glen

PS: I believe the list is still interested in a directly
    attributable and dated quote to support the ADNA Media
    Release #1 statement:

       "ADNA has been set up with the encouragement
        of Robert Elz, the Administrator of .au."

    Such a quote would, I hope, express agreement with
    the current ADNA structure, rather than an in-principle
    encouragement that an .AU administering body should be
    formed (the second of which is something nearly everyone
    on this list would agree with).

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