pistols § 20 paces?


Adam Matthews [adam§echo-host.net] wrote:
> You have absolutely no idea, just faaaaaaaarrk off.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: info§australianwebsites.com [mailto:info§australianwebsites.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, 24 March 2005 1:27 PM
> To: dns§dotau.org
> Subject: Re: [DNS] List rules
> 
> Larry,
> 
> I agree with everyone who thought the issue of the allegations
> initiated by Adam against Planet Domain, in reply to Jim's original
> post seeking help on a domain issue took too long to resolve.
> 
> ( Due in part originally to the number of posts it took Adam
> to provide more specific information to support his allegations
> when invited to do so. )
> 
> Let us remember that it was Adam, not I, who, at the mere
> mention of the 2 words
> 
> "Planet Domain"
> 
> in Jim's long email seeking help, chose to make the very first
> post as a reply to Jim's request for help.
> 
> Did Adam's reply to Jim's post offer any help? No, it didn't.
> 
> It was criticisms / allegations directed specifically at Planet Domain,
> "their technical support team" and Adam even went on to criticise
> Murray Kester, the Manager of Planet Domain, personally by name!
> 
> It was at this point that a new issue was raised.
> 
> Making criticisms / allegations against a Registrar is a serious matter
> and is messing with the livelihoods of all the people who work there
> and the people who are Resellers for Planet Domain also.
> 
> Looking back now its a little sad that, overall, more time was spent by some
> people on
> debating procedural type issues like relevancy to a thread, than whether it
> was fair
> or just, to publicly criticise a Registrar, "their technical support team"
> and Murray Kester,
> the Manager of Planet Domain, and even arguing whether or not allegations
> like that
> should go unquestioned, and you Larry, by saying, and I quote,
> 
> "Adam - he simply recounted his experience"
> 
> implied those allegations were true.
> 
> That serious allegations can be made which then start being referred to as
> though they were true, is a recipe for a truly unfair DNS list, were this
> list
> to be moderated to stifle 2 sided debate.
> 
> As Trent pointed out
> 
> "The 'other thread' is history and it was self moderated to a degree.
> In so doing, if just one person took some form of education away from it,
> then although annoying, it served its purpose."
> 
> Proposals of moderation need to be very carefully thought about
> as moderation can easily become censorship in practice.
> 
> I submit that 2 sided debate is always preferable to 1 sided negative
> allegations - where the person making those allegations goes unquestioned
> and / or unchallenged and supporting facts sought.
> 
> A useful guideline for this list would be that if anyone is going
> to make a criticism of any person or company at anytime in the future
> it should be based on facts only, and they should be prepared to present
> those specific facts, or for example a link to a news article, to support
> their criticisms,
> and present them in a timely manner, so that debates are efficient,
> productive,
> and provide useful information.
> 
> If any moderation included banning all non .au domain issues
> even Jim's original request for help would have been culled out
> as it regarded a .com domain only.
> 
> As there is not a TLD list where people such as Jim can seek help
> and anyone can discuss TLD specific issues, perhaps a separate TLD
> list could be started.
> 
> 
> Regards
> Barry Armstrong
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Larry Bloch 
>   To: dns§dotau.org 
>   Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 12:03 PM
>   Subject: RE: [DNS] List rules
> 
> 
>   Trent,
> 
>   Moderating a list is a thankless task - definitely.
> 
>   I'm not so sure that "no news is good news" in this list's case. I think
> its
>   probably fairer to say no news is an indication that the real issues are
> not
>   being raised in this forum, and that is a pity. Why are the issues not
> being
>   discussed here? Because the list lacks credibility as a place where useful
>   debate happens, and that?s an historical fact.
> 
>   This list has been over used for outbursts (as we have seen yesterday),
>   vitriolic personal attacks, loony conspiracy theorists, hatchet jobs and
> the
>   like. You only have to go back and see Chris Disspain's written comments
> on
>   his attitude to posting to this list to see a reflection of that reality.
>   His frustration with the manner and tone of postings is shared by many of
>   the professionals in this industry who as a result lurk but steer clear of
>   posting.
> 
>   If all of us subscribed want to get something more that the odd bit of
> news
>   out of the list, then as a community we need to have some sort of
> acceptable
>   use standards - formal or otherwise. And I take your point that the recent
>   episode did resolve in a 'natural order' way. Its just a little
> inefficient
>   sometimes.
> 
>   Larry
> 
> 
> 
>   > -----Original Message-----
>   > From: trent§sos.net.au [mailto:trent§sos.net.au] 
>   > Sent: Tuesday, 22 March 2005 11:46
>   > To: dns§dotau.org
>   > Subject: Re: [DNS] List rules
>   > 
>   > 
>   > Larry,
>   > In theory, this would be great, but Kim, at least I assume it 
>   > was Kim, 
>   > has outlined in the first line of the policy that this list 
>   > is unmoderated.
>   > 
>   > Like your own post, my point is subjective. The 'other thread' is 
>   > history and it was self moderated to a degree. In so doing, 
>   > if just one 
>   > person took some form of education away from it, then 
>   > although annoying, 
>   > it served its purpose. That might mean fewer of these outbursts and I 
>   > know that's hoping for allot, but I'm a hopeful kind of guy ;)
>   > 
>   > If Kim wishes to moderate, that's his decision as list 
>   > manager, but it 
>   > is a time issue, so I for one would understand if he chooses 
>   > not to. In the mean time, the list, as Sean pointed out, 
>   > generally moves along 
>   > at a dead crawl. This is indicative of the "no news is good news" 
>   > clich?, and we can, as Vic pointed out, use the good ol' D key when 
>   > someone won't leave well enough alone.
>   > 
>   > Having said all that, and provided you have the time Larry, perhaps a 
>   > related list is something you feel would be in order? 'Any' list 
>   > generates information we can potentially learn from, and I would 
>   > definitely have a look at the focus of any new list that 
>   > might assist me 
>   > in advising clients and colleagues.
>   > 
>   > Cheers,
> 
> 
> 
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