Too far - they might miss each other :) : -----Original Message----- : From: Deus Ex Machina [mailto:vicc§cia.com.au] : Sent: Thursday, 24 March 2005 1:48 PM : To: dns§dotau.org : Subject: Re: [DNS] List rules : : pistols § 20 paces? : : : Adam Matthews [adam§echo-host.net] wrote: : > You have absolutely no idea, just faaaaaaaarrk off. : > : > -----Original Message----- : > From: info§australianwebsites.com : [mailto:info§australianwebsites.com] : > Sent: Thursday, 24 March 2005 1:27 PM : > To: dns§dotau.org : > Subject: Re: [DNS] List rules : > : > Larry, : > : > I agree with everyone who thought the issue of the allegations : > initiated by Adam against Planet Domain, in reply to Jim's : original : > post seeking help on a domain issue took too long to resolve. : > : > ( Due in part originally to the number of posts it took Adam to : > provide more specific information to support his allegations when : > invited to do so. ) : > : > Let us remember that it was Adam, not I, who, at the mere : mention of : > the 2 words : > : > "Planet Domain" : > : > in Jim's long email seeking help, chose to make the very : first post as : > a reply to Jim's request for help. : > : > Did Adam's reply to Jim's post offer any help? No, it didn't. : > : > It was criticisms / allegations directed specifically at Planet : > Domain, "their technical support team" and Adam even went on to : > criticise Murray Kester, the Manager of Planet Domain, : personally by name! : > : > It was at this point that a new issue was raised. : > : > Making criticisms / allegations against a Registrar is a serious : > matter and is messing with the livelihoods of all the : people who work : > there and the people who are Resellers for Planet Domain also. : > : > Looking back now its a little sad that, overall, more time : was spent : > by some people on debating procedural type issues like : relevancy to a : > thread, than whether it was fair or just, to publicly criticise a : > Registrar, "their technical support team" : > and Murray Kester, : > the Manager of Planet Domain, and even arguing whether or not : > allegations like that should go unquestioned, and you Larry, by : > saying, and I quote, : > : > "Adam - he simply recounted his experience" : > : > implied those allegations were true. : > : > That serious allegations can be made which then start : being referred : > to as though they were true, is a recipe for a truly : unfair DNS list, : > were this list to be moderated to stifle 2 sided debate. : > : > As Trent pointed out : > : > "The 'other thread' is history and it was self moderated : to a degree. : > In so doing, if just one person took some form of : education away from : > it, then although annoying, it served its purpose." : > : > Proposals of moderation need to be very carefully thought about as : > moderation can easily become censorship in practice. : > : > I submit that 2 sided debate is always preferable to 1 : sided negative : > allegations - where the person making those allegations goes : > unquestioned and / or unchallenged and supporting facts sought. : > : > A useful guideline for this list would be that if anyone : is going to : > make a criticism of any person or company at anytime in : the future it : > should be based on facts only, and they should be prepared : to present : > those specific facts, or for example a link to a news article, to : > support their criticisms, and present them in a timely : manner, so that : > debates are efficient, productive, and provide useful information. : > : > If any moderation included banning all non .au domain issues even : > Jim's original request for help would have been culled out as it : > regarded a .com domain only. : > : > As there is not a TLD list where people such as Jim can : seek help and : > anyone can discuss TLD specific issues, perhaps a separate : TLD list : > could be started. : > : > : > Regards : > Barry Armstrong : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > ----- Original Message ----- : > From: Larry Bloch : > To: dns§dotau.org : > Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 12:03 PM : > Subject: RE: [DNS] List rules : > : > : > Trent, : > : > Moderating a list is a thankless task - definitely. : > : > I'm not so sure that "no news is good news" in this : list's case. I : > think its : > probably fairer to say no news is an indication that the : real issues : > are not : > being raised in this forum, and that is a pity. Why are : the issues : > not being : > discussed here? Because the list lacks credibility as a : place where useful : > debate happens, and that?s an historical fact. : > : > This list has been over used for outbursts (as we have : seen yesterday), : > vitriolic personal attacks, loony conspiracy theorists, : hatchet jobs : > and the : > like. You only have to go back and see Chris Disspain's written : > comments on : > his attitude to posting to this list to see a reflection : of that reality. : > His frustration with the manner and tone of postings is : shared by many of : > the professionals in this industry who as a result lurk : but steer clear of : > posting. : > : > If all of us subscribed want to get something more that : the odd bit : > of news : > out of the list, then as a community we need to have : some sort of : > acceptable : > use standards - formal or otherwise. And I take your : point that the recent : > episode did resolve in a 'natural order' way. Its just a little : > inefficient : > sometimes. : > : > Larry : > : > : > : > > -----Original Message----- : > > From: trent§sos.net.au [mailto:trent§sos.net.au] : > > Sent: Tuesday, 22 March 2005 11:46 : > > To: dns§dotau.org : > > Subject: Re: [DNS] List rules : > > : > > : > > Larry, : > > In theory, this would be great, but Kim, at least I assume it : > > was Kim, : > > has outlined in the first line of the policy that this list : > > is unmoderated. : > > : > > Like your own post, my point is subjective. The 'other : thread' is : > > history and it was self moderated to a degree. In so doing, : > > if just one : > > person took some form of education away from it, then : > > although annoying, : > > it served its purpose. That might mean fewer of these : outbursts and I : > > know that's hoping for allot, but I'm a hopeful kind of guy ;) : > > : > > If Kim wishes to moderate, that's his decision as list : > > manager, but it : > > is a time issue, so I for one would understand if he chooses : > > not to. In the mean time, the list, as Sean pointed out, : > > generally moves along : > > at a dead crawl. This is indicative of the "no news is : good news" : > > clich?, and we can, as Vic pointed out, use the good : ol' D key when : > > someone won't leave well enough alone. : > > : > > Having said all that, and provided you have the time : Larry, perhaps a : > > related list is something you feel would be in order? : 'Any' list : > > generates information we can potentially learn from, : and I would : > > definitely have a look at the focus of any new list that : > > might assist me : > > in advising clients and colleagues. : > > : > > Cheers, : > : > : > : > : ------------------------------------------------------------- : --------- : > ----- List policy, unsubscribing and archives => http://dotau.org/ : > Please do not retransmit articles on this list without : permission of : > the author, further information at the above URL. : > : : ------------------------------------------------------------- : -------------- : List policy, unsubscribing and archives => http://dotau.org/ : Please do not retransmit articles on this list without : permission of the author, further information at the above URL. : :Received on Fri Oct 03 2003 - 00:00:00 UTC
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