Re: [DNS] Whois & Privacy

Re: [DNS] Whois & Privacy

From: Mike <mjr§hydrocorp.com>
Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 08:13:38 +0930
No Larry, you missed the point.
I have a different view of privacy than you have..Thats all.

Did you see the example I quoted..
I'm sure if thought about it some more , there'd be a thousand examples.

Tell me Larry..
Exactly why do you need access to the name and company details of the 
registrant?
Can you give me an example where you would need to know the complete 
details as presented in the .au whois database?

I think we all read the post by Harry..
I can see a business reason for accessing the database, but thats 
exactly one of the reasons I don't want my info available..

As for being a significant disadvantage to consumers addressing unfair 
or illegal business practices..
If it's illegal larry, you've made my point for me about the info being 
avail. only to Law Enforcement..

They are the Police, not you or I or auDA or the people on this or any 
other list..
The personal and private information has nothing to do with anyone 
except the registrant and the body charged with administering it..auDA


Regards.
Mike.


ps
I notice you ignored my electoral roll question.
You obviously see my point, even if you can't say so onlist..

Larry Bloch wrote:

>Mike,
>
>You missed the point about businesses nad individuals. Businesses do not
>have the right to the same level of privacy individuals do.
>
>I don't see a need for bulk access to the database, but accessing records
>for a single domain name is useful. Its useful to identify who the owner of
>a domain name is, because without this it would be too easy for businesses
>to undertake all kinds of practices by hiding behind a domain name. Lack of
>such identification would be a significant disadvantage to consumers in
>addressing unfair or illegal business practices on a website.
>
>Its certainly useful on a day to day basis for the Internet industry that
>deals with registrants, names and contacts daily.
>
>Larry
>
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>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Mike [mailto:mjr&#167;hydrocorp.com] 
>>Sent: Wednesday, 6 April 2005 11:54
>>To: dns&#167;dotau.org
>>Subject: Re: [DNS] Whois & Privacy
>>
>>
>>Hi Larry,
>>
>>I can see a reason to know if a name is available or if it is 
>>not. I can't see a reason why anyone else apart from 
>>Governmental Agency 
>>under specific conditions should be able to access the database.
>>
>>Are you on the Electoral Roll Larry?
>>Under your home address?
>>
>>Mike.
>>http://whois.com.au/forums/
>>
>>Larry Bloch wrote:
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>>>I tend to agree with Kim.
>>>
>>>There is a valid reason for a publicly available whois 
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>>service. There 
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>>>are legitimate reasons why the owner of a name should be easily 
>>>identifiable.
>>>
>>>By and large names are for the use of businesses, and privacy for 
>>>businesses is an entirely different thing to individuals. I 
>>>      
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>>would think 
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>>>that hiding email addresses for individuals has merit, but a 
>>>      
>>>
>>business 
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>>>is another matter.
>>>
>>>
>>>To some degree, visibility and the resulting spam is a cost 
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>>of being a 
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>>>business with a publicly visible domain name. After all, if 
>>>      
>>>
>>you don't 
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>>>want to be contacted, what is the point of having the name 
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>>>
>>in the first 
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>>>place? (yes, I know - there are many other reasons). The 
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>>>
>>point is, if 
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>>>you have a domain name for your company and you have a website, most 
>>>likely you publish contact details. Spam is a scourge, we all agree, 
>>>but it's a 'cost' of having an email address. If you don't want spam 
>>>that badly, don't use email.
>>>
>>>.AU deliberately removed telephone numbers and address 
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>>details as these 
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>>>were deemed unnecessary, but email details remained in whois as the 
>>>least compromising contact details to provide. I am not aware of 
>>>widespread abuse of the email addresses published in .au whois.
>>>
>>>Larry
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
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