Gene,

Your monosyllabic comments indicate really have no idea. Go to the Freedom Scientific site and trial the free version of Jaws. It's essential you turn your monitor off. Sure your friend/colleague may love accessing the internet, but ask him how he accesses pdf documents. Ask how he accesses chat rooms. Ask what he does when websites are difficult to navigate, if it's at all possible to navigate them. And then, it seems this person is quite experienced at accessing the internet. So think about how the inexperienced internet user who is blind goes about it. The inexperienced sighted user finds it difficult it enough.

David

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He Loves It

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Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 3:30 PM
Subject: [DNS] accessibility and the internet


> Kirk,
>
> OK, maybe I misinterpreted your comments on discrimination.
>
> Regarding Jaws - being able to use Jaws relies on the website being
accessible in the first place. If the website aint accessible, then in a
worst case scenario it's a case of the website being a no-go zone. So while
the idea of subsidising Jaws has merit, it's not the issue. That's another
argument for another place.
>
> I did not advocate that anyone should purchase a computer. I was noting
the significant costs involved for a person who is blind in using a computer
in the first place.
>
> And Gene... so your point that QUT has a blind person using IT is...? This
is nothing new. Blind people use IT for a whole range of reasons. Ask him
how he finds navigating the web, and especially the ubiquitous pdf document!
>
> David
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Kirk Fletcher <kirk&#167;enetica.com.au>
> To: .au DNS Discussion List <dns&#167;dotau.org>
> Sent: Monday, 13 November, 2006 3:24:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [DNS] Let's Talk Net
>
>
> David wrote:
> > Kirk,
> > Your argument that discrimination against a person because of their
> > race is different to discrimination because of a disability is crap.
>
> I made no such argument - so please cut the crap yourself!  I used
> an example of explicit vs implicit discrimination.
>
> My position was not that we disregard these issues (which is why I
> noted the license issue as an example of a good outcome), only
> that it is unreasonable to put a financial burden on website owners
> from which they may receive little or no gain.
>
> It is not immoral to consider a cost benefit analysis in these cases,
> it is negligent NOT to.  A cheaper option is possibly to subsidise
> the aforementioned Jaws for those that need it (I'm not saying that
> I necessarily like this idea either, mind you.)  Would this work out
> cheaper?  I have no idea, because I don't have the figures, and
> haven't done a cost benefit analysis.  Neither have you - since
> apparently, conideration of cost is immoral.
>
> As for cost of computers, etc... what? we have to buy that for
> people too now, just so they can view our website?
>
> Regards,
> Kirk Fletcher
>
>
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