[DNS] Australia registers more .au than .com domains

[DNS] Australia registers more .au than .com domains

From: David Goldstein <goldstein_david§yahoo.com.au>
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 00:45:44 -0700 (PDT)

With the attitude of ?Dont fix it if it aint broken? we'd still be driving Model T Fords, the computer would never have been invented and people would never have set foot on the moon. You can then argue of course, as to the merits of the benefits or otherwise of each of these.

Evidence around the world shows registrants like to be able to register at the second level. But as has been shown in some of the submissions to the Names Policy Panel and the discussion here, there is also a cost.

As per the timeline for the panel, there is a second round of public consultation in September.

----- Original Message ----
From: Sean K. Finn <Sean.Finn&#167;ozservers.com.au>
To: .au DNS Discussion List <dns&#167;dotau.org>
Sent: Sunday, 1 July, 2007 1:21:29 PM
Subject: Re: [DNS] Australia registers more .au than .com domains


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I think that before adding any new extensions or changing the
namespace in such a major way, a VOTE should be conducted, from the current registrant
contact of all .au domain name holders.


Only then can  a true representation of what CURRENT .au
holders want.


AuDA sends out emails whenever a domain name is registered, it
should be within its scope to at least conduct a survey annually or biannually.


Generally, the old saying ?Dont fix it if it aint broken?
comes to mind.


.au is functioning, there?s no MAJOR problems at the
moment, so why change it if there are no problems to be solved or advantages
(beside a select few cashing in, aka corruption slash CONFLICT OF INTERESTS).


If there ARE advantages to be had, sure, but if theres no
problems to be solved or advantages to be gained, why is this discussion even
on the table?


Have we all been that bored in the last few years that we are
making up ways to change .au just so we have something to do in our mundane
boring jobs?




[mailto:dns-bounces+sean.finn=ozservers.com.au&#167;dotau.org] On Behalf Of Ron

Sent: Sunday, 1 July 2007 12:26 PM

To: '.au DNS Discussion List'

Subject: Re: [DNS] Australia registers more .au than .com domains


So use "IT" as an example.  Or "trades",
"business" or any of a multitude of others that aren't specifically
covered by legislation.  My point is that under the current rules, a close
or substantial connection is sufficient qualification.  I don't need a
trademark, and I don't need a registered business - an ABN will suffice. 
Is it perhaps suggested that each different 2LD has a unique set of rules and
policies?  Or is it proposed to modify the existing rules?


I can see it all now.  The clarity of www.it.trades.au and www.trades.it.au, to go along with www.ittrades.com.au and www.tradesit.com.au.


The notion that the term "bank" is covered by legislation
is farcical, given that bank.com.au is registered to Internet Product Sales and
Services Pty Ltd, banks.com.au is owned by Aussie Destinations (1) Pty Ltd,
both of which resolve to the same website.


The argument was put forward that coke, for example, would prefer
to use coke.com.  Using the argument that the registrant must be operating
within the industry, then a bank who wants to increase their
visibility in search engines could rightfully register coke.bank.au, a
plumber coke.plumbers.au, whilst Coca Cola would be denied that right.


Wow!  There's a great brand enhancement strategy.


I fail to see how simply contriving additional 2LDs resolves minor
problems that now exist.  Instead, I can see it introducing more
problems of greater magnitude and complexity.


Ron Stark


From: dns-bounces+ronstark=snapsite.com.au&#167;dotau.org
[mailto:dns-bounces+ronstark=snapsite.com.au&#167;dotau.org] On Behalf Of info§enigmaticminds.com.au

Sent: Saturday, 30 June 2007 21:23

To: .au DNS Discussion List

Subject: Re: [DNS] Australia registers more .au than .com domains

A self managed super fund is not a bank, I would have
thought that was pretty obvious.

In a similar manner a podcast does not make you a radio station (.radio.au),
uploading youtube viedos does not make you a tv station (.tv.au), etc.

If you're not legitimately in the industry, you wouldn't be eligible to
register the domain name, just like you can't register .gov.au or .edu.au

Ron Stark wrote: 

OK.  So IBM, BP, Price Waterhouse Coopers and little old me
run a credit union for my staff.  Woo Hoo - I can register snapsite.bank,


Josh (sorry Josh :-)) possibly runs his own self-managed super
fund.  So he gets josh.bank.au.  Real clear and easy to administer


From: dns-bounces+ronstark=snapsite.com.au&#167;dotau.org
On Behalf Of info&#167;enigmaticminds.com.au

Sent: Saturday, 30 June 2007 17:36

To: .au DNS Discussion List

Subject: Re: [DNS] Australia registers more .au than .com domains

I totally agree with Edwin.

Further to this, I have always said that with industry specific domains, you
must be within that industry. Therefore only a bank could register a domain
using the .bank.au extension.

This already applies for domain extensions such as .gov.au and .edu.au, so this
concept is nothing new. In effect, the .gov.au and .edu.au domains are examples
of industry specific domains. Do you see any untoward activities in these
namespaces? Any phising? Any cyber-squatting or domain speculation?

As for conflicts, there's would be far fewer as it is limited to each industry.
For example only plumbers of the name Joe would be interested in
joes.plumbing.au whereas every Joe from every industry would be interested in

Edwin Groothuis wrote: 

On Sat, Jun 30, 2007 at 04:52:13PM +1000, Ron Stark wrote:   

I can think of a mere handful of bank.au domains - anz, cba, commonwealth,qld, westpac, boq, queensland, suncorp, bendigo, city, citi and so on.  Then     

  Plus hundreds of credit unions?     

come the grey areas over which disputes would inevitably arise from each ofthe competing "legitimate" registrants:  lending.bank.au, finance.bank.au,cheap.bank.au, friendly.bank.au, local.bank.au, regional.bank.au,credit.bank.au, community.bank.au, farmers.bank.au, your.bank.au,online.bank.au, internet.bank.au and a whole lot of others.     

  The policy of the bank.com.au, just like the policy of the .museumand .areo, will probably prevent you (and everybody else) fromregestrering them.     

But wait ... there's more!  I do newsletters for a certain bank as part ofmy business.  I then qualify to register newsletter.bank.au, because there'salready a close or substantial connection.  I also resell domain namestherefore I qualify for domains.bank.au.  Oh - websites, too, which gives me     

  These too.  Edwin     

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