[DNS] CGDN review

[DNS] CGDN review

From: Rod Keys <info§cheaperdomains.com.au>
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 19:50:04 +1100
Brett said close it down I say no it has some use and the local councils
are able to promote the space as well, much better than
stonnington.vic.gov.au/bushfirehelp.php
stonnington.vic.au now that much better.
Rod

David Goldstein wrote:
> Rod,
>
> The success or otherwise of any namespace has nothing to do with saving lives in 
> bushfires.
>
> They are 2 totally unrelated issues.
>
>
> David
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Rod Keys <info&#167;ddns.com.au>
> To: .au DNS Discussion List <dns&#167;dotau.org>
> Sent: Fri, 26 November, 2010 5:33:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [DNS] CGDN review
>
> Jim,
> I suggest you have a look at what is being done within that namespace
> and see what communities are up to then make comment.
> Rod
>
>
> jim Stewart wrote:
>   
>> I think auDA got this wrong the same way they did .id.au .  You can argue
>> all you like about the au namespace being great to have town.vic.au etc but
>> people will have trouble remembering these names. It's too hard and why
>> should they be bothered. People will simply type what they think it maybe
>> into Google. I remember Mr Disspain telling me 10 years ago that .id.au
>> would be the new gold rush for domains. Too hard. If people want a vanity
>> URL they want a simple one. Not one they have to tell people time and time
>> again. The shorter the URL the better. People have trouble with .gov.au
>> domains their not going to try to learn a new domain structure.
>>
>> Rod seriously, were you kidding? A domain name is not a website.
>> Jim Stewart
>> Managing Director
>> Stew Art Media
>>
>> On 26 November 2010 17:06, Rod Keys <info&#167;ddns.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> Brett,
>>> All the costs are now rolled into the existing system and the ongoing
>>> cost of the program would in my view be negligible (gee we run systems
>>> just like this the last time I looked but please enlighten my if I am
>>> wrong). Some good outcomes have been made in bush fire ravaged areas
>>> around Melbourne for local communities to communicate emergency
>>> procedures ETC. To not see this is a gross misunderstanding of the facts
>>> and I would hope if your one day involved in such a catastrophe you
>>> would be glad to have this information at hand ....Sometimes you guys in
>>> Sydney should not just focus on the $$$$$. Same Brett shame.
>>> I think something like 140 Australians lost their lives during this bush
>>> fire and if the community domain name initiatives help save some lives
>>> in the future I think that would be well worth it.
>>> Have a nice weekend.
>>> Rod Keys
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Brett Fenton wrote:
>>>       
>>>> As you might be aware there is currently a review of the CGDN policy by
>>>>         
>>> auDA.
>>>       
>>>> Comments for this close December 3rd, I've submitted my thoughts which
>>>>         
>>> I've
>>>       
>>>> copied below.
>>>>
>>>> Basically this program has resulted in 200 registrations at a cost of
>>>>         
>>> around
>>>       
>>>> $2M - or $10,000 per domain registered. The original funding for auCD
>>>>         
>>> came
>>>       
>>>> from the funds auDA received when the geographic domains were released.
>>>>         
>>> That
>>>       
>>>> funding is exhausted, and the program is now being funded as part of the
>>>>         
>>> fee
>>>       
>>>> auDA collects on each domain registration.
>>>>
>>>> I feel strongly this is a gross waste of money for zero actual benefit as
>>>>         
>>> per
>>>       
>>>> my comments. I would encourage any stakeholder in the .au space from both
>>>>         
>>> the
>>>       
>>>> demand and supply sides, to look at this program, and at least ask
>>>>         
>>> questions
>>>       
>>>> as to why this is continuing, if not to contrbiute to the public comment
>>>> process.
>>>>
>>>> ---Begin
>>>>
>>>> Dear Lujia,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for the opportunity to express my views of the CGDN policy.
>>>>
>>>> These comments represent the view of the Online Growth Solutions Ltd
>>>>         
>>> group of
>>>       
>>>> companies, which includes Netregistry Pty Ltd, Hostess Pty Ltd,
>>>>         
>>> PlanetDomain
>>>       
>>>> Pty Ltd, MDWebhosting Pty Ltd and TPP Internet Pty Ltd, all companies are
>>>> accredited Registrars in a range of spaces including the .au and gtld.
>>>>
>>>> I shall reserve all of my comments to the following clause in the policy:
>>>>
>>>> "2.1 auDA has created the CGDNs in order to preserve Australian
>>>>         
>>> geographic
>>>       
>>>> names for use by the relevant local community. The aim is to provide an
>>>> intuitive, standardised naming system to enable better access to local
>>>> community, tourism and business information and to facilitate social and
>>>> economic benefits to Australian communities."
>>>>
>>>> As at todays date communities have been able to register in the 3th level
>>>>         
>>> for
>>>       
>>>> the past 4 years.
>>>>
>>>> During that time a total of just over 200 domains have been registered,
>>>>         
>>> at an
>>>       
>>>> expense in excess of approximately $2,000,000.
>>>>
>>>> That is in simple terms some $10,000 per domain registered.
>>>>
>>>> Clearly by any measure, this program has been an abject failure.
>>>>
>>>> >From the cgdn.org.au website:
>>>>
>>>> "The auCD company was wound up on 30th June, 2010 at the project funds
>>>>         
>>> end and
>>>       
>>>> auDA is continuing to support the initiative within their operations as
>>>>         
>>> part
>>>       
>>>> of their community engagement and education activities."
>>>>
>>>> I question not only the logic of auDA absorbing these ongoing costs, but
>>>>         
>>> also
>>>       
>>>> the fact we have an open policy review process, however the decision to
>>>>         
>>> bear
>>>       
>>>> those costs, didn't seem to follow the same open decision making process
>>>>         
>>> where
>>>       
>>>> any stakeholder comment was sought.
>>>>
>>>> Every domain name registrant currently registering a domain in the .au
>>>>         
>>> space
>>>       
>>>> is continuing to fund this program, by way of the auDA fee, and has every
>>>> right to be concerned that that money is continuing to be grossly wasted,
>>>>         
>>> with
>>>       
>>>> no business case, no expected social outcomes and generally no oversight
>>>>         
>>> into
>>>       
>>>> the proposed benefits of the program.
>>>>
>>>> The aim of the policy as stated is clearly not being met, there is no
>>>>         
>>> demand
>>>       
>>>> for this space, no uptake by local communities and therefore no increased
>>>> access or economic benefits to local communities.
>>>>
>>>> I would call for:
>>>>
>>>> 1) The existing domains to be "grand fathered" for a fixed period of time
>>>>         
>>> (of
>>>       
>>>> which there is precedent in the space); and
>>>>
>>>> 2) The immediate cessation of any new registrations; and
>>>>
>>>> 3) auDA providing assistance to transition existing Registrants to a
>>>>         
>>> domain in
>>>       
>>>> an existing .au space (org.au).
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Brett Fenton
>>>>
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