Chris,

It seems to me to be a bit of a coincidence that someone with strong views
just happened to 'drop off the list'. Amazing that. If I were Michael I
would be looking for a bit more investigation than just taking some kind of
guess as to what happened to his details.

Dave Hooper.

]-----Original Message-----
]From: Chris Disspain [mailto:ceo§auda.org.au]
]Sent: Thursday, 30 August 2001 5:36 PM
]To: dns§auda.org.au
]Cc: michael§mediakinetix.com
]Subject: RE: [DNS] Re: Lock out from AUDA mailing list
]
]
]Hello All,
]
]Just to let you know that I have asked iinet (who administer the DNS list)
]to fix the log in problem so that people can once again subscribe to the
]list.
]
]Also, just in case anyone thinks it possible, I can confirm that no-one at
]auDA has removed Michael from the list and, frankly I think it highly
]unlikely that someone would have 'hacked in' and removed him. We have been
]migrating our lists and email aliases to new locations and servers so I
]guess it is possible that Michael and maybe some others have
]dropped off the
]list. Anyway, apologies Michael and we'll try to fix this asap so that at
]the very least you can re-apply.
]
]Regards
]
]Chris Disspain
]CEO - auDA
]ceo§auda.org.au
]+61-3-9226-9495
]www.auda.org.au
]
]
]-----Original Message-----
]From: Peter Ostenberg [mailto:peterost§start.com.au]
]Sent: Thursday, 30 August 2001 17:11
]To: djk§cyber.com.au
]Cc: dns§auda.org.au
]Subject: [DNS] Re: Lock out from AUDA mailing list
]
]I have been contacted by Michael Verga and asked to forward this mail
]on his behalf as he appears to have been locked out from this group.
]Coincidentally his attempts to join the list under another name was
]not possible as the Log-in gateway is currently not accepting any new
]applicants - try for yourself!
]
]His message was as follows..........
]
]
]
]Warning to all....
]
]I suspect that there could be a major problem with the security of
]this forum. Ever since I posted the message below; someone, somewhere
]out there must have become very upset and agitated as they seem to
]have hacked into the system and removed my  address from this mailing
]list. If I were Kevin Sheedy I could also blame the martians - I am
]not Kevin Sheedy.  Amazing what can be done these days isn't it?  I
]guess I'll just have to find a series of "nomme de plumes" to go by in
]the future should they choose to keep conducting themselves in such a
]cowardly fashion. I can only look forward to a meeting in person some
]day soon,,,,I think this week might have to be out of the question.
]
]I guess that if  IP Australia could ever become the AU administrator,
]we could look forward to this forum being free from all this
]negativity and criticism. After all one should only be prepared to
]criticise if they can offer a possible remedy to the problem at hand,
]not simply defend and deflect all the positive ideas that have been
]put forward thus far. In the case of IP Australia, I don't know of any
]Patent or Trademark attorneys  at all that have any problems
]whatsoever with the way that IPA goes about its business. Obviously
]IPA has got the management of intellectual property down to a fine
]art.
]
]Unfortunately, since I have  been out in the cold ( Yes I read Le
]Carre ) I have been unable to see whether anyone agrees in theory with
]the possibilty of IP Australia taking over  the administration of our
]dearly beloved "dot com dot au "
]
]What about Peter Ostenberg, Richard Archer, David
]Keegel......Josh...Ian Smith ...?..There happens to be an invitation
]only little pow wow up in HQ with Mr. Alston this Friday
]gentlemen...how about you men make some noise too.......hopefully the
]right people might be able to see what has been going on here and take
]affirmative action before IANA gets any further involved. Apparently
]the government has the power to recommend to IANA/ICAAN which
]direction we take with AU administration. We are only going to get the
]one chance to get this right for the forseeable future, so now is the
]time to speak again as you all have in the past.
]
]Hopefully you haven't had happen to you what has happened to my email
]listing in the past week...look forward to hearing from you all again
]soon
]
]Regards
]
]Michael Verga
]
]P.S.     Following is probably the message that instigated the hack
]attack.
]
]
]-----Original Message-----
]From: Michael [mailto:michael§mediakinetix.com]
]Sent: Monday, 20 August 2001 11:16 AM
]To:
]Subject: RE: [DNS] ING charging $250 non-refundable for .BIZ and .INFO
]
]
]Hello Don,
]
]Everything you have written makes sense except for one thing.
]Would it not make more sense that Domain names should be administrated
]by the government?
]If the manner in which .info and .biz are being globally marketed
]gives any insight,
]then clearly the current perception of a domain name is of something
]that defines ones' mark of trade.
]Certainly to this point, nearly all litigious proceedings regarding
]domain ownership disputes have been fought and won on the basis of
]trademark law.
]
]That being the case, wouldn't it make sense that the only logical home
]for domain name records and administration
]be with IP Australia.
]
]I am certain that many synergies would already exist between the
]procedures involved with administering and registering patents,
]trademarks and domain names.
]After all; they have sat right next to another thus far in many a
]court room dispute - so why not store them together - I am sure many
]people could do with one less search fee from their attorney.
]
]Regards
]
]Michael
]
]btw
]
]In response to Richards response just now.......
]
]Richard, it's not what you take from a public information base, it's
]what you do with it that counts. I can assure you that the arrival of
]the new Privacy Act in December will put paid to all those
]"innovators" out there, who think they can send brochures disguised as
]invoices and invoices disguised as brochures to the "tick the box" set
]out there whom we want to embrace our industry not shun it .
]Responsible service = valuable clients.
]
]
]
]
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