From the ones that I've seen it looks as if he's targeting businesses in
general rather than domain name holders of .com.au's, and offering them
tld's.  If that's the case, he's entitled to do so, as it's legitimate
marketing.

What's not legitimate is the deceptive nature of the mailout, because
the clients who have contacted me believe that it's an invoice for an
existing domain name that is no longer registered.  What's also
illegitimate is the utter disdain with which DNA treat registrants (or
at least in my limited experience with trying to resolve problems).

One issue that I have had - in trying to sort out a delegation issue
with a client that got caught, DNA were very slow to respond and
dismissive of requests to sort out the delegation problem.  Any attempt
to transfer to a new registrar would fail, as DNS was cited as the
contacts for all but the actual registrant.  They could (and I assume
would) thwart any attempt at transfer.

DNA also told my client that he, as the registrant, was not entitled to
his own domain password, as it would give him access to every other
domain.  This, as we all know, is a lie.

Ron Stark

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Discount Domain Name Services [mailto:rod§ddns.com.au] 
> Sent: Friday, 17 October 2003 10:20 AM
> To: dns§lists.auda.org.au
> Subject: RE: [DNS] Chesley Rafferty just a Brad Norrish front man?
> 
> 
> From what I can make of this lastest .com mailing they appear 
> to be going out in dribs and drabs.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron Stark [mailto:ronstark§snapsite.com.au]
> Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 10:04 AM
> To: dns§lists.auda.org.au
> Subject: RE: [DNS] Chesley Rafferty just a Brad Norrish front man?
> 
> 
> 1% of 400000 = 4000.
> 
> Given a .com costs about $25 for 2 years, at about $190 
> mark-up that still represents $760 000 profit, less the cost 
> of the mailout (say $300 000).
> 
> $460 000 in his pocket is still pretty good bucks if you ask me.
> 
> A fine of anything less than $460 000 STILL means that it's 
> been a profitable venture, and probably worth doing again!
> 
> Ron
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Discount Domain Name Services [mailto:rod§ddns.com.au]
> > Sent: Friday, 17 October 2003 9:38 AM
> > To: dns§lists.auda.org.au
> > Subject: RE: [DNS] Chesley Rafferty just a Brad Norrish front man?
> >
> >
> > The class action only goes after CR and IRA. Josh is right 
> what is to 
> > stop another employee of BN popping up and running the same scam 
> > again. Well would you like to work for a company that asks 
> you to be 
> > the fall guy when things get hot I think not. Another reason is the 
> > general public is absolutely sick and tired of their 
> mailings and are 
> > a lot more savvy than they were 2 or 3 years ago. They will be
> > lucky to get a return of at best 1%. That my fellow list
> > members and mumblers is just not good business. They would be
> > better off putting their money into spruiking about property
> > investments maybe they could invest in a Henry Kay seminar.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Deus Ex Machina [mailto:vicc§cia.com.au]
> > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 7:12 AM
> > To: dns§lists.auda.org.au
> > Subject: Re: [DNS] Chesley Rafferty just a Brad Norrish front man?
> >
> >
> > why dont you? join the class action
> >
> > Vic
> >
> > Ron Stark [ronstark§snapsite.com.au] wrote:
> > > There's no doubt that the notice in question is 
> misleading, if not 
> > > deliberately deceptive.  I've had several clients ring to
> > enquire why
> > > their domain name is not registered when they engaged me to
> > look after
> > > it for them.
> > >
> > > I'd like to invoice Rafferty & co for all the time I've spent in 
> > > redressing the confusion caused by his mailout.
> > >
> > > Ron Stark
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Josh Rowe [mailto:josh§email.nu]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, 16 October 2003 10:15 PM
> > > > To: dns§lists.auda.org.au
> > > > Subject: [DNS] Chesley Rafferty just a Brad Norrish front man?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Domain Name Australia's latest notice: 
> > > > http://www.whatsinaname.com.au/renewals/wDNA03.jpg
> > > >
> > > > which is basically the same as this one: 
> > > > http://www.whatsinaname.com.au/renewals/wDNA01> .jpg
> > > >
> > > > An ACCC
> > > > media release from 5 December 2002 regarding
> > > > Brad Norrish's Internet Registrations Australia:
> > > >
> > > > Domain Name Reseller to Provide Refunds Following ACCC
> > Federal Court
> > > > Action 
> > > > http://203.6.251.7/accc.internet/digest/view_media.cfm?RecordI
> > > D=887
> > >
> > > "The court orders include permanent injunctions stopping IRA from 
> > > engaging in similar conduct in the future, requiring it to
> > implement a
> > > trade practices compliance program, to pay an agreed 
> amount of the 
> > > ACCC's costs, and declarations that the conduct of IRA 
> had breached 
> > > certain provisions of the Trade Practices Act 1974. The 
> misleading 
> > > notices were distributed by IRA to approximately 70,000 
> recipients, 
> > > located throughout Australia. Many recipients of the
> > notices did not
> > > have a pre-existing relationship or prior dealings with IRA."
> > >
> > > If Chesley Rafferty and Domain Names Australia receive the same 
> > > treatment, what's to stop another Brad Norrish clone popping up, 
> > > fronted by one of Brad's high school mates?
> > >
> > > Brad Norrish + Chesley Rafferty + Jason Namour + Craig Oehlers = 
> > > Domain Names Australia? http://www.whatsinaname.com.au/slammers/
> > >
> > >
> > > Josh
> > > --
> > > http://josh.id.au/
> > >
> > >
> > 
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